Sorry to say

PP charges money for every test performed. They charge the government for these tests. So, why am I lying? That's just good business sense if the government pays for it. As for the 94% that is fairly accurate estimate, how many people go for BC or cancer test. No, a person goes to their own doctor for those services. Please spare me the rhetoric about women not having abortions. So please bring the facts. Now, if your splitting all women services and abortions then the numbers will be lower. PP goes to incredible lengths to hide the statistics that people like myself would crucify them for (figuratively said!)

I will repeat that their is no difference between murdering an unborn child and child. That being said, I or anyone else does not have the right to murder abortionists or anyone in a PP clinic!

Tenshinai wrote:

smr wrote:...

As for PP, 94% of the women who enter the clinic have an abortion. As a result, PP being a woman's clinic...bogus or a red herring. Third, each woman entering the clinic has a number of procedures that are charged to Medicare. Can we say taxpayer supported or billed.
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That is a blatant lie and you shouldn´t be so ridiculously gullible.

More likely, that number is the percentage of women that does NOT have an abortion. Seriously, look at the numbers, then go and get a realitycheck because that claim is just so stupidly bogus that it´s pathetic that anyone falls for it.

smr wrote:PP charges money for every test performed. They charge the government for these tests. So, why am I lying?

Spacekiwi laid out in pretty good detail exactly why that 94% figure was absurd. It is such a ridiculous figure that it's difficult to find it credible that you could have believed it yourself as it would require epic levels of ... let's be polite and call it "willful gullibility"... to think that number was accurate.

So calling it a lie is a fairly justifiable conclusion.

That's just good business sense if the government pays for it. As for the 94% that is fairly accurate estimate, how many people go for BC or cancer test. No, a person goes to their own doctor for those services.

Wow.

Are you really so out of touch with the reality of the health care system in America that you think everyone even *has* "their own doctor"? Because a lot of these low income women getting these services from PP don't.

And 94% isn't any kind of "estimate" let alone an accurate one. It's a deliberately manipulated line of bullshit that excludes the vast majority of services provided by PP from the calculation and then declares that on;y what's left "counts" and then saying abortion is 94% of what's left.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/planne ... -services/

On the other hand, if the number of abortions performed is divided by the total number of people served (2.7 million), that would mean roughly 12 percent of clients received an abortion. But that’s also assuming no person received more than one abortion.

12%. That's the accurate estimate. Which is just a *little* off from 94%. That anyone could actually take that 94% number seriously is mind blowing. Do you also find the election returns out of North Korea to be credible?

94% is not accurate, 12% is about where the actual number is if you look through their end of year reports. So how many go for birth control, etc? Well, the numbers suggest thats around 2.1 million sets of birth control, and 1.5 million plan b pills, and given that 34% of their service is entirely contraception, using only that as an estimate of actual usage numbers, .34*2.7 = 920 thousand ladies given birth control. This is probably also a minimum, as i can guarantee their sti testing and contraceptives will overlap, so the actaul percentage of ladies with bc from PP is probably closer to 1.5 million than 1 million, especially if they give you bc after a sti test, which would allow for up to 65% of treatments to be bc (assuming all sti treatments and bc treatments linked, so 34/42% is bc also, so 100/(34*2) = 1.47 for bc to other treatments , 32% of non sti/bc * 1.47 = 47%.
.47*2.7 = 1.3 million. So bc is actually around 4 times more common than abortions, just as an off the cuff estimate.



2.7 million individuals got treatments and visits. 328 thousand abortions. 12% abortion rate as approximation, assuming no ladies needed two or more. And that number probably includes a lot of ladies who may have been raped, and no matter what, would never have wanted that child.

smr wrote:PP charges money for every test performed. They charge the government for these tests. So, why am I lying? That's just good business sense if the government pays for it. As for the 94% that is fairly accurate estimate, how many people go for BC or cancer test. No, a person goes to their own doctor for those services. Please spare me the rhetoric about women not having abortions. So please bring the facts. Now, if your splitting all women services and abortions then the numbers will be lower. PP goes to incredible lengths to hide the statistics that people like myself would crucify them for (figuratively said!)

I will repeat that their is no difference between murdering an unborn child and child. That being said, I or anyone else does not have the right to murder abortionists or anyone in a PP clinic!

SMR, there's an even better way to calculate it. 3.6 million bc treatments handed out. 2.7 million people. so on average 1.3 bc treatments per person. compared with .12 abortions per person. BC is ten times more often given out than abortions.


For the numbers, I use their end of year financial and treatment report of 2013-2014: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/6714/1996/2641/2013-2014_Annual_Report_FINAL_WEB_VERSION.pdf.



Women most certainly do go to PP for services other than abortion. 88% of women that visit PP dont get an abortion, so they must be going for something else......

And finally... the fakers get indicted:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016 ... /79318450/

Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson announced Monday that Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden was indicted on a felony charge of tampering with a governmental record and a misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs. Another activist was also indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record.

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Anderson said the grand jury cleared Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing.

Can the hordes of the gullible please stop ranting about these videos now? (I know, wishful thinking)

As CNNMoney reported in 2011, "Mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac received the biggest federal bailout of the financial crisis. And nearly $100 million of those tax dollars went to lucrative pay packages for top executives, filings show."

Can anyone refute or verify this?


Mod. 1/28/15 I found mention of one executive of Credit Suisse being imprisoned, but don't know of others from the crash.

If PP didn't exist to provide contraception and advice, how many more backyard abortions would there be?

DDHvi wrote:

As CNNMoney reported in 2011, "Mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac received the biggest federal bailout of the financial crisis. And nearly $100 million of those tax dollars went to lucrative pay packages for top executives, filings show."

Can anyone refute or verify this?

Most of the shitheads that caused the "crisis" were rewarded, then left in place to do it all over again when the sheeple get distracted enough. There were actually a few investigations of the big bonuses handed out after the bailout, but to little effect.
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Why do so many idiots believe that the way to solve our problems is to keep voting for the same shitheads that caused them?

gcomeau wrote:And finally... the fakers get indicted:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016 ... /79318450/

Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson announced Monday that Center for Medical Progress founder David Daleiden was indicted on a felony charge of tampering with a governmental record and a misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs. Another activist was also indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record.

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Anderson said the grand jury cleared Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing.

Can the hordes of the gullible please stop ranting about these videos now? (I know, wishful thinking)

As the old saying goes a talented prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, so indictments aren't worth much. You need an actual conviction.


(For those outside the USA, the procesutor presents his case and witnesses to the grand jury. There is no defense lawyer present and the proceedings are secret (even after the fact). In Texas there isn't even a judge present. Therefore, the prosecuter can get away with just about anything. An ethical prosecuter won't abuse the system, an unethical one....)

biochem wrote:[


As the old saying goes a talented prosecutor can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich, so indictments aren't worth much. You need an actual conviction.


(For those outside the USA, the procesutor presents his case and witnesses to the grand jury. There is no defense lawyer present and the proceedings are secret (even after the fact). In Texas there isn't even a judge present. Therefore, the prosecuter can get away with just about anything. An ethical prosecuter won't abuse the system, an unethical one....)

Yes indeed. Except in this case the prosecutor convened the grand jury to investigate Planned Parenthood.

The grand jury that will indeed generally indict a ham samdwich at the mere suggestion of wrongdoing then looked at all the evidence, said "nope, there is absolutely nothing there, we're not giving you any indictments against PP. BUT we are handing out indictments against these other idiots you brought in front of us because lookie at the crimes they were committing."