Reflecting Upon RTH -- SPOILER THREAD

n7axw wrote:Another reflection I've had focuses around Chava Busar of the Uromanthian Empire. He obviously was behind the assasination attempt on the Calirath family through his cut out the Senachel who apparently set up what happened in the palace while his people more directly managed the attempt on Andrin.

In the immediate aftermath of the attempt, he has the Senaschel killed. I wonder if he was aware that the whole Calirath family actually survived the attempt before he killed the Senaschel. Could it be that that murder will tip off the Caliraths that the Senaschel was only the cut out for the assasination attempt and to look deeper into who else might be involved...

Also, I find myself wondering about Zindel... will he recover to be able to resume his responsibilities or will he be forced into retirement as he abdictates in favor of Andrin?

Don

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PeterZ wrote:Don,

Civilized does not denote moral or adaptive. Mythal is ultra civilized and has a moral code only a relativist could find value in. Civilized in that they have the society has mores and folkways that are effective in maintaining a large complex society.

Andara's strict code of honor will keep it functioning as economic stress shakes up that society. Honor after all is a defining characteristic of how individuals deal with each other. How money changes hands and the financial distress one suffers does not change the personal obligations honor demands from an individual.

Ransar prides itself on valuing the individual. They also appear to value effective individuals. In a large population of individualists, there will be enough such effective individuals to ease the financial dislocations of any new knowledge.

Chava Bizarre just gave the only possible pretext to shorten the war to no more than maybe 3 more books. Zindel is barely alive and horribly injured. There will be many Magistron healers soon to fall under the Imperial Ternaithian Army's control. Enough said.

Keith_w wrote:

n7axw wrote:Another reflection I've had focuses around Chava Busar of the Uromanthian Empire. He obviously was behind the assasination attempt on the Calirath family through his cut out the Senachel who apparently set up what happened in the palace while his people more directly managed the attempt on Andrin.

In the immediate aftermath of the attempt, he has the Senaschel killed. I wonder if he was aware that the whole Calirath family actually survived the attempt before he killed the Senaschel. Could it be that that murder will tip off the Caliraths that the Senaschel was only the cut out for the assasination attempt and to look deeper into who else might be involved...

Also, I find myself wondering about Zindel... will he recover to be able to resume his responsibilities or will he be forced into retirement as he abdictates in favor of Andrin?

Don

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He is probably unaware that Andrin survived - the only member of the team who recognized that she did was the shark caller, the rest of the team was busy killing the seneschal. He may be aware that Zindel and the rest of the family escaped the explosion, there were plenty of people around, some of whom may be reporting to him. With any kind of luck, he will have a brain aneurism when he finds out that the only part of his plan that worked was the death of the Seneschal. That would leave his sons fighting over who inherits his throne and with any additional good fortune, they will kill each other off. But even if they don't the Uromathian empire will collapse due to his failing to establish and train a crown prince.

I think that so far as Zindel is concerned, as long as he is breathing he will be ruling.

PeterZ wrote: David and Joelle will be between the horns of their own dilemma. Do they write another long series of 10-15 books or finish up in 6?

PeterZ wrote:You won't be disappointed, Don. They will link Busar to the attempted assassination and will observe a dilemma. The Emperor/Empress can kill Chava and watch the Uromathian Empire fall apart or adopt a political fiction that castrates Chava but leaves him alive and nominally in charge of his Empire. The latter allows the Sharonan Empire to reorganize the Uromathian Empire with Chava present as a stabilizing force.

With Zindel alive and in charge of the Sharonan Empire and Andrin riding herd on the Uromathian Empire, Sharon should be able to support the War. With Shay and Jath's revelations castrating Mythal and reducing Arcana's ability to support the war, David and Joelle will be between the horns of their own dilemma. Do they write another long series of 10-15 books or finish up in 6?

cnrd22 wrote:

PeterZ wrote: David and Joelle will be between the horns of their own dilemma. Do they write another long series of 10-15 books or finish up in 6?

This arc will end in the next book (book 4), not in 6 or 15; DW stated this clearly at least twice I think (the recent Baen podcast with BuNine I think is one and the National Book Talk another but could be wrong about details); more books that will develop the multiverse to encompass our Earth *could* be forthcoming if books 3/4 (and possibly the reprints of books 1/2) do well enough at the box office so to speak to allow it

PeterZ wrote:You won't be disappointed, Don. They will link Busar to the attempted assassination and will observe a dilemma. The Emperor/Empress can kill Chava and watch the Uromathian Empire fall apart or adopt a political fiction that castrates Chava but leaves him alive and nominally in charge of his Empire. The latter allows the Sharonan Empire to reorganize the Uromathian Empire with Chava present as a stabilizing force.

With Zindel alive and in charge of the Sharonan Empire and Andrin riding herd on the Uromathian Empire, Sharon should be able to support the War. With Shay and Jath's revelations castrating Mythal and reducing Arcana's ability to support the war, David and Joelle will be between the horns of their own dilemma. Do they write another long series of 10-15 books or finish up in 6?

Keith_w wrote:
I think that so far as Zindel is concerned, as long as he is breathing, he will be ruling.

n7axw wrote:

PeterZ wrote:You won't be disappointed, Don. They will link Busar to the attempted assassination and will observe a dilemma. The Emperor/Empress can kill Chava and watch the Uromathian Empire fall apart or adopt a political fiction that castrates Chava but leaves him alive and nominally in charge of his Empire. The latter allows the Sharonan Empire to reorganize the Uromathian Empire with Chava present as a stabilizing force.

With Zindel alive and in charge of the Sharonan Empire and Andrin riding herd on the Uromathian Empire, Sharon should be able to support the War. With Shay and Jath's revelations castrating Mythal and reducing Arcana's ability to support the war, David and Joelle will be between the horns of their own dilemma. Do they write another long series of 10-15 books or finish up in 6?

I see your point, but the only way you stop Chava's scheming is to disconnet the head from the rest of his body to prevent recidisism. Otherwise he always remains a threat.

Don

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