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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by John Prigent   » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:36 pm

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Never mind the wealthy mega-rich. Just think of the sheer numbers of retired people who are 'comfortable' - owning the house, having no expensive tastes to spend on, living on a pension from investments made many years earlier and with enough spare free cash to not worry about sudden illness or other emergencies. There must be many of the Yeoman class in that situation, plus Zero-balance families that made good. I suspect that they're a significant voting bloc, but I wonder who they support.

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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by Theemile   » Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:55 pm

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John Prigent wrote:Never mind the wealthy mega-rich. Just think of the sheer numbers of retired people who are 'comfortable' - owning the house, having no expensive tastes to spend on, living on a pension from investments made many years earlier and with enough spare free cash to not worry about sudden illness or other emergencies. There must be many of the Yeoman class in that situation, plus Zero-balance families that made good. I suspect that they're a significant voting bloc, but I wonder who they support.

Cheers

John


Actually, at this point I don't believe there are many "age" related retirees on Manticore or other advanced planets. The reason - Prolong has been available ~100 years and the last of the pre-prolong generation is just dying off (Like Jonus Adcock did in ~1913). A few will have emigrated from a planet where the therapies were introduced later or were too expensive for the masses, but the majority of Manticorians (currently) feel like they are 35 or less and will for some time, so the majority of Retirement in 1922 Manticore will be because someone is tired - tired of putting up with the corporate BS, that is. I have a feeling that such a retirement will usually be voluntary, temporary, and often repeated.
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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by cthia   » Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:51 pm

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cthia wrote:Manticoran children are richer than the adults on many planets.

The true measure of Manticoran wealth is in the flaunts of their kids.
:lol:

My very first car at 16 was a brand spanking new Volvo that I purchased with my own money and many adults were needlessly (IMO) and jealously pissed that a 16-yr-old would be driving a car like that.

They didn't realize that I, on the other hand, hated the car. It looked like a boxy tank! Which was why my parents INSISTED that ALL first cars had to be a Volvo -- take it or leave it. BECAUSE THEY ARE TANKS. Then after a year or two experience you could get what you wanted -- with your own cash. I could afford to buy my OWN car at 16 -- but still had to drive that tank! Only difference, is it was at least a new tank. Unlike my siblings.

What I wanted at 16, was an Alfa Romeo. Or a Porsche 924.

My parents said fine if I wanted to kill myself, driving a fast sports car with the experience of a newly minted teenage driver, but I wasn't going to be killing any of my sisters or cousins who at times would be riding with me.

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Parents are supposed to have enough experience to be wiser than even bright kids. Yours qualify
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I've owed my parents for that all of my driving years. I really hated that tank. I remember the first day driving it to school was more than a week after I got it. I was too embarassed. Yet, that Volvo set the tone of my driving style that has stayed with me up until now. Everyone loves the way I drive. You'll get the smoothest ride with me.

Reason being, you can't pull away from the light squealing tires in a Sherman tank. You're not going to be passing everything on the road. It isn't conducive to aggressive driving. I drove it until I graduated High School and I'm a very safe driver now -- regardless of the car. All owed to my parents and that first Volvo.

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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by John Prigent   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:46 am

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That's exactly what I had in mind, Theemile: the number of people who don't actually need to work at all, and nothing to do with their ages irrespective of prolong. I was one here on Earth, taking my pension early and living with my wife quite happily in a house that was paid for and with enough income to enjoy treats and holidays. When I took local jobs it was for something to do, not because we needed the money.
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Theemile wrote:
John Prigent wrote:Never mind the wealthy mega-rich. Just think of the sheer numbers of retired people who are 'comfortable' - owning the house, having no expensive tastes to spend on, living on a pension from investments made many years earlier and with enough spare free cash to not worry about sudden illness or other emergencies. There must be many of the Yeoman class in that situation, plus Zero-balance families that made good. I suspect that they're a significant voting bloc, but I wonder who they support.

Cheers

John


Actually, at this point I don't believe there are many "age" related retirees on Manticore or other advanced planets. The reason - Prolong has been available ~100 years and the last of the pre-prolong generation is just dying off (Like Jonus Adcock did in ~1913). A few will have emigrated from a planet where the therapies were introduced later or were too expensive for the masses, but the majority of Manticorians (currently) feel like they are 35 or less and will for some time, so the majority of Retirement in 1922 Manticore will be because someone is tired - tired of putting up with the corporate BS, that is. I have a feeling that such a retirement will usually be voluntary, temporary, and often repeated.
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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by cthia   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:02 pm

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John Prigent wrote:That's exactly what I had in mind, Theemile: the number of people who don't actually need to work at all, and nothing to do with their ages irrespective of prolong. I was one here on Earth, taking my pension early and living with my wife quite happily in a house that was paid for and with enough income to enjoy treats and holidays. When I took local jobs it was for something to do, not because we needed the money.
Cheers
John


Theemile wrote:
John Prigent wrote:Never mind the wealthy mega-rich. Just think of the sheer numbers of retired people who are 'comfortable' - owning the house, having no expensive tastes to spend on, living on a pension from investments made many years earlier and with enough spare free cash to not worry about sudden illness or other emergencies. There must be many of the Yeoman class in that situation, plus Zero-balance families that made good. I suspect that they're a significant voting bloc, but I wonder who they support.

Cheers

John


Actually, at this point I don't believe there are many "age" related retirees on Manticore or other advanced planets. The reason - Prolong has been available ~100 years and the last of the pre-prolong generation is just dying off (Like Jonus Adcock did in ~1913). A few will have emigrated from a planet where the therapies were introduced later or were too expensive for the masses, but the majority of Manticorians (currently) feel like they are 35 or less and will for some time, so the majority of Retirement in 1922 Manticore will be because someone is tired - tired of putting up with the corporate BS, that is. I have a feeling that such a retirement will usually be voluntary, temporary, and often repeated.

I think that touches on one thing I think is an expression of Manticoran wealth. It gels with something my parents taught us all. "Success is when you can work because you want to. Not because you have to. And when you can interview a company, instead of them interviewing you. And when you love your job, because if you didn't, you can afford to fire them. Finally, success is when you can afford the time to have a hobby."

I suspect many Manticorans work because they want to. And they can afford to have hobbies. Like looking for the elusive triple winged chameleon butterfly on a planet in a distant star system. The most work they do is attending to their portfolio, or traveling star systems to check on a business there -- the boss has to pop in from time to time.

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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by Sully   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:09 pm

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cthia wrote:I'm not a multi-millionaire. Yet I do have several tens of millions of liquid assets lying around to play monopoly.


Really curious to see your definition of multi-millionaire if you can write those two sentences consecutively and honestly. :roll:

(And how you made a couple million before graduating college. As well as what currency we're talking. :lol: )
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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by kzt   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:20 pm

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Sully wrote:
Really curious to see your definition of multi-millionaire if you can write those two sentences consecutively and honestly. :roll:

(And how you made a couple million before graduating college. As well as what currency we're talking. :lol: )

Contrary to what cthia thinks, college degrees are not essential for financial success.
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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by saber964   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:35 pm

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kzt wrote:
Sully wrote:
Really curious to see your definition of multi-millionaire if you can write those two sentences consecutively and honestly. :roll:

(And how you made a couple million before graduating college. As well as what currency we're talking. :lol: )

Contrary to what cthia thinks, college degrees are not essential for financial success.



Case in point Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.
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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by Daryl   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:26 pm

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Well he's obviously not Steve Jobs, maybe Bill Gates?

Only two ways I can see for an undergraduate to earn millions. One involves inventing something (software or hardware), and the other is risky.
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Re: Expressions of Manticoran wealth
Post by Sully   » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:53 pm

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kzt wrote:
Sully wrote:
Really curious to see your definition of multi-millionaire if you can write those two sentences consecutively and honestly. :roll:

(And how you made a couple million before graduating college. As well as what currency we're talking. :lol: )

Contrary to what cthia thinks, college degrees are not essential for financial success.


Sure makes it easier, though.

But I only brought up college because of Cthia's previous post mentioning it.
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