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What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation)
Post by GofyTomcat1   » Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:28 pm

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DISCLAIMER: This thread is for pure speculation and discussion.. I have no plans of actually doing anything with this idea, as it would VERY obviously violate one of RFC's rules, not to mention certain copyright issues if I were to go through with it.

If this thread is not within regs, it is my duty as a Manticoran officer to stand it down, and I will gladly do so.

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As we all know, the Honorverse is clearly defined by RFC as Manticore, Haven, the League etc.

But what if...?

What if, in an alternate Honorverse, the GA (Manticore, Haven etc)is, as a collective entity, a member of the United Federation of Planets (From Star Trek)? How would characters change? How would HH and her people react if they were in Starfleet rather than the RMN? Would Eloise Prichart be President of the UFP *waits for Rosie to start shipping*? What would happen if Shannon, Montgomery Scott, and Sonja were in the same room? Would Starfleet permit Treecats??

I am curious to know what my fellow Trekkies/HH fans think.
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by cthia   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:31 am

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Starfleet is tolerant of all kinds of life forms. The bridge of some Starfleet vessels seem to feature humans in the minority report. lol They wouldn't have any trouble accepting treecats. The Federation is the original seeker and acknowledger of new alien life in any form. Remember one of the original alien lifeforms that resembled a huge rock and ate rock -- who also joined Starrleet?

I don't see Pritchart as the President of the UFP. She had too many more important fish to fry. Remove the stink of corruption from your own planet before you look to others.

Being members of the UFP would give them access to Starfleet technology as in shields. I wonder if Starfleet's shield technology could be readily incorporated onto Honorverse ships?

Would Honor's allegiance and loyalty to her monarch transfer to the President of the UFP? It is important to Honor to accept the overall ideals of her leader.

The premise of this thread removes the League. The League would be at the core of the UFP. If Manticore or Haven has become a part of the UFP, then the League was not as it is now.

What would happen if Shannon, Montgomery Scott, and Sonja were in the same room?

They'd have some real conversations about all kinds of theories and technologies, if the girls survived their hangover from the introduction of Scotty's favorite real brand of whiskey.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by dscott8   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:09 am

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Well, if James T. Kirk put a move on Honor, he'd get his ass handed to him.
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by cthia   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:19 am

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dscott8 wrote:Well, if James T. Kirk put a move on Honor, he'd get his ass handed to him.

I'd certainly like to see the results of Spock's mind meld with a treecat. In Spock's own words... "fascinating."

Or know what Spock's mind tasted like to a cat. Spock would probably spark the first "catfight" over his delicious mind.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by cthia   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:39 am

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One change any redblooded American male would welcome, is the adoption of Honorverse dress to the regulation micro-mini skirts of Starfleet.

Who would I like to see donning one of those micro beauties?...

Sonja, Shannon, Truman, Honor, Abigail, Shannon, Honor, Abigail, Shannon, Shannon and Abigail, Abigail, Abigail and Truman...

Let's not forget the chocolate mouthwatering goodness of Henke's legs ascending up into a micro. The modern Uhura of the Honorverse!

Long-legged Honor in a regulation Federation handkerchief?...


Still don't get it? Well, picture them all swimming a tube...

Okay okay. So my name is mud, BUT. I'll feature Mudd's NEW women -- without the need of the original Mudd's illegal Venus drug.

Can we say YOWSA!

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by The E   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:50 am

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The two universes are quite incompatible (as in, in order to make them compatible, you'd have to change fundamental things about the characters, making any comparison moot).

GofyTomcat1 wrote:What if, in an alternate Honorverse, the GA (Manticore, Haven etc)is, as a collective entity, a member of the United Federation of Planets (From Star Trek)?


Several things. One. Star Trek has no stable wormholes by default, when one appears, it's major news (See: The whole of Deep Space Nine). Not having them removes the major feature that made Manticore what it is in the novels. Trade in Star Trek is ill-defined in canon (as in, we have no information about the interstellar economy at all), but we do know that communication is more or less instantaneous within UFP space (and realms connected to it), so even if there was a manticoran wormhole junction, it would not turn Manticore into a major player by itself.

Similarly, as the UFP operates on a post-scarcity economy internally, a lot of the tension factors that have defined interactions in the Haven quadrant simply do not exist.

How would characters change?


Massively. For one, transhumanism is not a thing in ST, neither is large scale genetic engineering. This removes a few background bits (Honor's tweaked body, prolong, human empaths) that do their part to shape how people interact.

How would HH and her people react if they were in Starfleet rather than the RMN?


Not much differently, I suspect. However, recall that the UFP was never as much under threat of war as Manticore was; Other states were either hostile outright (Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, Breen), or neutral verging on allied (Ferengi, Bajor). Haven and Manticore, however, were drifting towards hostilities for half a century before the first shots were fired.
This means that characters would have massively different motivations for joining: Honor states that she joined the service because she felt a confrontation with Haven would be coming and that she would have to do her part to defend her home. In the Star Trek universe, especially post ST6 and up until the Dominion War arc, the UFP was never under threat of war to the same extent. Even during TOS, the most that happened was akin to the US/Soviet cold war, with no real risk of open hostilities breaking out (As I recall, this state of affairs was one of the reasons why ST6's plot happened as it did).

Would Eloise Prichart be President of the UFP *waits for Rosie to start shipping*?


Why would she be? She wasn't much of a political animal until joining the Aprilists, and didn't come into high office until the Theisman coup, so why would she attain such office in a universe where none of the events that actually shaped her could ever happen?

What would happen if Shannon, Montgomery Scott, and Sonja were in the same room?


You could just as well ask about the relative combat capabilities of Honorverse and ST ships. It's a meaningless question, really.

Also: It's hard to determine the relative abilities of these people. Scott, LaForge, Torres and O'Brien are mostly shown to be excellent at on-the-spot troubleshooting and improvisation, the Honorverse engineers mentioned excel at long-term R&D. Different skill sets, one would imagine.

Would Starfleet permit Treecats??


Given that they permit joined Trills to join, sure.

One change any redblooded American male would welcome, is the adoption of Honorverse dress to the regulation micro-mini skirts of Starfleet.


You do know that those weren't a thing outside of TOS and S1 of TNG, right? In other words, they're anomalies in ST canon....
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by munroburton   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:45 pm

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You know there hasn't been a new Honorverse novel out for far too long when those crossover threads start...
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by exiledtoIA   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:49 pm

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The E wrote:The two universes are quite incompatible (as in, in order to make them compatible, you'd have to change fundamental things about the characters, making any comparison moot).

GofyTomcat1 wrote:What if, in an alternate Honorverse, the GA (Manticore, Haven etc)is, as a collective entity, a member of the United Federation of Planets (From Star Trek)?


Several things. One. Star Trek has no stable wormholes by default, when one appears, it's major news (See: The whole of Deep Space Nine). Not having them removes the major feature that made Manticore what it is in the novels. Trade in Star Trek is ill-defined in canon (as in, we have no information about the interstellar economy at all), but we do know that communication is more or less instantaneous within UFP space (and realms connected to it), so even if there was a manticoran wormhole junction, it would not turn Manticore into a major player by itself.

Similarly, as the UFP operates on a post-scarcity economy internally, a lot of the tension factors that have defined interactions in the Haven quadrant simply do not exist.

How would characters change?


Massively. For one, transhumanism is not a thing in ST, neither is large scale genetic engineering. This removes a few background bits (Honor's tweaked body, prolong, human empaths) that do their part to shape how people interact.

How would HH and her people react if they were in Starfleet rather than the RMN?


Not much differently, I suspect. However, recall that the UFP was never as much under threat of war as Manticore was; Other states were either hostile outright (Klingons, Romulans, Dominion, Breen), or neutral verging on allied (Ferengi, Bajor). Haven and Manticore, however, were drifting towards hostilities for half a century before the first shots were fired.
This means that characters would have massively different motivations for joining: Honor states that she joined the service because she felt a confrontation with Haven would be coming and that she would have to do her part to defend her home. In the Star Trek universe, especially post ST6 and up until the Dominion War arc, the UFP was never under threat of war to the same extent. Even during TOS, the most that happened was akin to the US/Soviet cold war, with no real risk of open hostilities breaking out (As I recall, this state of affairs was one of the reasons why ST6's plot happened as it did).

Would Eloise Prichart be President of the UFP *waits for Rosie to start shipping*?


Why would she be? She wasn't much of a political animal until joining the Aprilists, and didn't come into high office until the Theisman coup, so why would she attain such office in a universe where none of the events that actually shaped her could ever happen?

What would happen if Shannon, Montgomery Scott, and Sonja were in the same room?


You could just as well ask about the relative combat capabilities of Honorverse and ST ships. It's a meaningless question, really.

Also: It's hard to determine the relative abilities of these people. Scott, LaForge, Torres and O'Brien are mostly shown to be excellent at on-the-spot troubleshooting and improvisation, the Honorverse engineers mentioned excel at long-term R&D. Different skill sets, one would imagine.

Would Starfleet permit Treecats??


Given that they permit joined Trills to join, sure.

One change any redblooded American male would welcome, is the adoption of Honorverse dress to the regulation micro-mini skirts of Starfleet.


You do know that those weren't a thing outside of TOS and S1 of TNG, right? In other words, they're anomalies in ST canon....




Actually, in one of the ST novels it is revealed that Scotty had designed at least part of the phaser systems used by the UFP.

In "Dreadnaught" Scotty and Piper(?) IIRC are busy disabling the weapons of one UFP starship so they can escape and steal another one. Scotty mentions that they can't keep the ship from firing a few shots before what they have done disables the ship's weapons. Piper(?) wonders who would design a system like that and Scotty admits that "It kept him in scones for a few years".
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by John Prigent   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:45 pm

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It cannot happen. Thee are known to be Moslems in Honorverse, but there are none in the Trekverse because it's creator explained 'This is the future'.
Cheers
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GofyTomcat1 wrote:DISCLAIMER: This thread is for pure speculation and discussion.. I have no plans of actually doing anything with this idea, as it would VERY obviously violate one of RFC's rules, not to mention certain copyright issues if I were to go through with it.

If this thread is not within regs, it is my duty as a Manticoran officer to stand it down, and I will gladly do so.

Begin thread.

****
As we all know, the Honorverse is clearly defined by RFC as Manticore, Haven, the League etc.

But what if...?

What if, in an alternate Honorverse, the GA (Manticore, Haven etc)is, as a collective entity, a member of the United Federation of Planets (From Star Trek)? How would characters change? How would HH and her people react if they were in Starfleet rather than the RMN? Would Eloise Prichart be President of the UFP *waits for Rosie to start shipping*? What would happen if Shannon, Montgomery Scott, and Sonja were in the same room? Would Starfleet permit Treecats??

I am curious to know what my fellow Trekkies/HH fans think.
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Re: What if... (A Trekkie/ HH Fan's mad baseless Speculation
Post by Daryl   » Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:18 pm

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Apples and oranges. You're comparing future fact with future fiction.
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