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One thing about the marriage that confuses me

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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by n7axw   » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:18 am

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Howard T. Map-addict wrote:There's Laws,
and there is What Actually Happens,
and then there is What People Expect To Happen.

I daresay that Chava's daughters-in-law have been slaves.
His daughters, OTOH, might be his senior agents, (or
maybe not, if he despises women too much).

The Caliraths might demand that Andrin's husband come to
them for the marriage, and live with them.
Chava would demand that Andrin come to his territory.
What then?
No marriage unless they meet *somewhere*!

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I would think that Zindel would still hold the trump card here. Andrin is the actual heir to the throne while her husband is only the consort. That would pretty much mean that Andrin's status would compel her to live in the imperial capital, I would think.

That would mean that her consort would need to come and reside in the capital as part of Andrin's family to claim his bride.

On the other hand, there is no mistaking the amount of stress that the prospect of having one of Chava's sons as Andrin's husband places on Zindel and Andrin so I could have this wrong.

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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by Astelon   » Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:53 am

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It would also be difficult to protect Andrin from her husband for multiple reasons. She must have a child to be the heir, and preferably more than one so they could have a spare. It could easily look bad in the eyes of the public, and make her look weak in the eyes of the nobles (even Ternathia has problems with some of their nobles). Making the husband a near outcast in the court could also lead to divisions and unrest within the empire (how would Uromathians react if they felt they were be slighted, as a race, by the crown).

Also the husband would have some duties within the government, he is supposed to support the crown princess after all, and denying him those duties would be a grave insult. Allowing a hoistile husband those duties gives him room for all sorts of intrigue and espionage.
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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:41 pm

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Good Points, Astelon!

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Astelon wrote:It would also be difficult to protect Andrin from her husband for multiple reasons. She must have a child to be the heir, and preferably more than one so they could have a spare. It could easily look bad in the eyes of the public, and make her look weak in the eyes of the nobles (even Ternathia has problems with some of their nobles). Making the husband a near outcast in the court could also lead to divisions and unrest within the empire (how would Uromathians react if they felt they were be slighted, as a race, by the crown).

Also the husband would have some duties within the government, he is supposed to support the crown princess after all, and denying him those duties would be a grave insult. Allowing a hoistile husband those duties gives him room for all sorts of intrigue and espionage.
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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by n7axw   » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:32 pm

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Astelon wrote:It would also be difficult to protect Andrin from her husband for multiple reasons. She must have a child to be the heir, and preferably more than one so they could have a spare. It could easily look bad in the eyes of the public, and make her look weak in the eyes of the nobles (even Ternathia has problems with some of their nobles). Making the husband a near outcast in the court could also lead to divisions and unrest within the empire (how would Uromathians react if they felt they were be slighted, as a race, by the crown).

Also the husband would have some duties within the government, he is supposed to support the crown princess after all, and denying him those duties would be a grave insult. Allowing a hoistile husband those duties gives him room for all sorts of intrigue and espionage.


Andrin is the heir to become the Empress upon the death of her father. That is true whether she bears children or not. A child that she bears becomes her heir.

Apart from that, I agree with this post.

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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by Astelon   » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:54 pm

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I did mean HER heir when I wrote that.
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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by n7axw   » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:48 am

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Astelon wrote:I did mean HER heir when I wrote that.


I'm presuming that all of this is hypothetical sinse Andrin did marry the prince of her choice rather than one of Chava's sons.

But what options would the imperial family have should it prove that her husband was a security risk?

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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by Randomiser   » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:25 pm

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He could be kept busy morning, noon and night pressing the flesh, opening war bond drives and building morale by reviewing the front line troops. All of which would mean he hadn't a scoobie about anything sensitive and was too tired to conspire with anyone.

'The Chava's son would abuse Andrin' is about the weakest and least believable bit of the whole opening. Zindel issues an Imperial decree that the heir and consort live in the palace, supplies all their guards and servants and the husband gets introduced to several burly Ternathian guards and left in no doubt what will happen to him any time he lays a finger on Andrin that she doesn't want him to. Zindel cannot hold off on investigating Chava's previous criminal activities forever; if Chava plays up that process and the subsequent executions happen much sooner. The Uromathian Empire, lacking anyone but Chava who can keep everyone else in line falls to bits. It's not pretty but it works.

Zindel chan Caliran 'stands between' and the poor, abused, downtrodden Uromathian people just became his responsibility. How long do you think Chava's got?
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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by PeterZ   » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:39 pm

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Not long at all. Assuming that Andrin has a hand in what happens, well, even less time and even less grace will be available. That however does not mean Chava will die.

I'll leave projective Privy Voices, compulsions and just deserts to the imagination of one who has read RTH.
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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by jchilds   » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:23 am

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Re: One thing about the marriage that confuses me
Post by Keith_w   » Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:54 am

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Perhaps in that culture the child of a dead mother is raised the fathers family. Which would make Chava very happy - a grandchild of his, on the throne, with him at his shoulder.
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