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Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)

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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by n7axw   » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:18 pm

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FreeTrav wrote:
TBird50 wrote:So I guess overall, I'm still leaning towards the EoC surrounding Zion, Clytahn tries to hide, EoC drags him out ala Saddam Hussein and puts him on trial with proof of all his atrocities etc, and hang him. Staynair takes over church in Zion, abolishing Inquistion and proscriptions and let the changing of the world begin.

Staynair, even if the world would accept him as Grand Vicar, can't abolish the Proscriptions; doing so would mark him clearly - in the eyes of the entire world outside the Inner Circle - as the heretic that the CoGA (Clyntahn) claimed him to be.

I also question whether he could abolish the Inquisition; it does have a role to play in the Church, according to the Writ; at most, I could see him renouncing the Punishment of Schueler, or at least never actually sentencing anyone to it, and perhaps yanking back hard on the Inquisition's chain, to the point of limiting its authority and actions the same way as the Roman Catholic Church's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregat ... _the_Faith) has been limited.


I just reread MTAT. One of the war aims of the EOC is to break the coercive power of the inquisition to dictate the beliefs of God's children as per Archbishop Maikel's conversation with Irys at the time of her epiphany.

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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by DDHvi   » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:27 am

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TBird50 wrote:That "what" moment could possibly be Duchairn & Magwair teaming up to overthrow Clytahn and suing for peace. Remember that after the bombing where all those vicars were killed, Magwair replaced those in his command structure taking a lot more care about who those people were loyal to, namely him rather than Clyntahn. He is in much better shape to try for a coup than before. I'm not sure he has enough soldiers close enough yet but maybe he will arrange for that to happen too.

OTOH, I'm not sure that a "peace" will suffice for Merlin's long range plans. He really needs to destroy the whole church structure in Zion. He needs to get rid of the Inquisition, and abolish the Proscriptions.

So I guess overall, I'm still leaning towards the EoC surrounding Zion, Clytahn tries to hide, EoC drags him out ala Saddam Hussein and puts him on trial with proof of all his atrocities etc, and hang him. Staynair takes over church in Zion, abolishing Inquistion and proscriptions and let the changing of the world begin.


It is called, "The Church of God Awaiting." Awaiting WHAT :?: Perhaps awaiting the time when the proscriptions are changed to permit mortals to work with the powers that were limited to the angels :!: Could it be that Langhorne, et al were more concerned about hiding for a longer time and less about later technology than we think? At any rate, something saying the awaiting time has been completed is possible.

Zechariah 12:10 > 13:6 as part of the Christian Eschaton is an example of how things can change suddenly in a major way given the right circumstances.
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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by John Prigent   » Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:21 am

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I, too, have always wondered what it is that God is supposed to be waiting for. Maybe all will be revealed at the 'return'.
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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by Charybdis   » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:19 pm

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I am disappointed! :(

I want End-Arc scenarios for our major personas - where will they be, what will they be doing when the denouement of the current Church of God Awaiting's (COGA) Jihad fails! I gave my scenario for the Grand Fornicator - how about some other volunteers for their guesstimates? :twisted:

Simple thoughts to move the case forward. Where will Thirsk be at the end of this Arc? Will Princess Dowager Ohlyvya (and thus Nahrmahn) survive to the end here? Where will Nynian be and will the Sisterhood come into the light?
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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by BobG   » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:05 pm

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I suspect that one part of the endgame will be for the ironclad(s) to get on the Holy Langhorn Canal. If they destroy the locks, they lose the canal as their primary supply conduit. The new rifled artillery may be able to take out an ironclad, but not before it cripples the canal - and that will cut off supply to the Host.

Throw in some broadsheets reporting mass starvation and the like in Harchong, and maybe the host will turn for home.

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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by n7axw   » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:45 pm

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My end game scenario has the Haarahlds escorting troop transports into Temple Bay with the Temple surrounded and Duchairn standing at the front door with Clyntahn's head on a platter.

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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by imperatorzor   » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:18 am

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In my opinion the best ending for Clyntahn is if Merlin puts him in cryo, waits a century and dumps him into a modern industrial society in a thoroughly modern city after the Church's powerhold has been broken and people have gotten over the fact that the CogA was a lie contrived by Eric langhorn. There without connections or useful skills he will live as a penniless vagrant, living off welfare in a society which has advanced to the point that it can afford to effortlessly support individuals like him. Let him spend the last few years of his life powerless and impotent while everything he'd fought to stop is undone.

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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by Peppero   » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:12 pm

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One can wonder if there would be trouble with support
for a war that actually invades Zion or temple lands.
The temple loyalists in EoC may just say that's too much.

So I see Claythan being neutralized some way.
Coup, Health, Assassination and the end of the series being a descent into a cold war peace.
EoC and Sidmark vs Temple Lands and Harchong Empire
All others being various shades of neutral.

So this would allow the series to end after the destruction of all temple allied armies in Sidmark.

The peace is one Zion will loose mainly because they are philosophically not up to a tech race.

The next series may then be with whatever is under the temple waking up and going "Oh !!!!" and dumping tech on the church.
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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by emeye   » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:26 am

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Peppero wrote:.

The next series may then be with whatever is under the temple waking up and going "Oh !!!!" and dumping tech on the church.


From orbit.

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Re: Current Arc Ending Scenarios (Spoilers?)
Post by Isilith   » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:02 am

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I honestly can't see how he can wrap up the war in less than two books. Without a lot of handwavium it happens. Even if the allies totally routed the MH, they couldn't march far enough and fast enough though enemy territory, to actually take Zion. Within the span of one book that is.
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