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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by Weird Harold   » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:29 pm

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Theemile wrote:At the same time, you don't want to name it the Japanese word for "Completely Harmless Flower full of Gold" - that also might also set someone's antenna twitching.


That might be a very good name for a Q-ship; the idea is to get the bad guys to come to the Q-ship so it isn't necessary to chase them. :lol:

Of course, Pirates aren't generally famous for their linguistic talents, so the English translation would probably work better, even if it is a bit long. :lol:
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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by cthia   » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:00 pm

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Hutch wrote:Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

LOL... funny Hutch. Have a jar of java. Hot. Black. Strong.

Funny how we take physics digs at our Sci-Fi.

But we say nothing when our super heroes defy... defynition. Nobody says anything when Supergirl or the Flash swoops down and rescues someone out from under a hurtling object with an acceleration that compensators can't handle.

Honorverse ships should be named after super heroes. Fearless should have been named RMN Super Girl. Terekov's ship should have been RMN Super Man. The MAlign ship would have been MA Invisible girl. The Andermani ship that shadowed Jessica Epps would have been the IAN Watcher. The Haven Q-ship should have been the RHN Dr. Doom.

At least one League ship should have been named SLN Batman, if only to facilitate... "Holy Bat crap, Robin. Look at that massive launch!”

Nimitz doesn't defy belief because we all know he's a Mutant Ninja Cat.

JeffEngel wrote:Just what we're supposed to take seriously - e.g., physics - in a story varies by genre. Star Trek kind of invites trying to take real-world physics seriously, at least as a starting point. So does the Honorverse. It gets adjusted as need be, but if it gets adjusted more than need be, a typical audience member may start frowning.

Star Wars and superhero stuff does not even invite that perspective. All we ask there is that it's consistent with established fact within the universe, and sometimes we'll give it a pass then. The standard becomes much more a matter of sheer storytelling.

Also, Q-ships are supposed to be innocuous. Ya name a freighter Dr. Doom and pirates are going to take a careful second or third look at it!

I can't seriously take the taking of physics too seriously.

1. It hampers my enjoyment of the media...

2. Much of what we enjoy today as reality was indeed just Fantasy yesterday. So we put the cart before the horse and risk the chance of ruining a storyline by needlessly putting the cart before the horse. Or we force a respective author to pigeonhole their art under the brand of Fantasy. Whereby Sci-Fi is Fiction is Fantasy. <shrugs insouciantly>

3. It delays and sometimes even hampers many an author from delivering a good story because of the perception -- and accompanying weight -- of its perceived physics veracity.

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Because of the lack of the overbearing weight of truth in physics, Fantasies tend to deliver more meat on the bone. IMO.

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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by Daryl   » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:53 pm

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Honorverse physics is rigorous, once you get past a few little things like breaking the second law of thermodynamics (perpetual motion) inherent in the wedge, and hyperspace.

Mind you our world would seem to defy common sense to someone from as far back as the Honorverse is forward to us.
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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by dscott8   » Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:23 am

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Theemile wrote:
JeffEngel wrote:<snip>

Also, Q-ships are supposed to be innocuous. Ya name a freighter Dr. Doom and pirates are going to take a careful second or third look at it!


At the same time, you don't want to name it the Japanese word for "Completely Harmless Flower full of Gold" - that also might also set someone's antenna twitching.


Name your Q-Ship RMMS P.T. Barnum. Most pirate won't be well-read enough to get the irony.
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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by ChronicRder   » Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:46 pm

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I was a Star Wars fan. Then, I discovered the Honorverse. After delving some of the depths here over the last several years, a new Star Wars movie recently came out. I found I can't enjoy it as much as I used to with all the gaping plot holes and nonsensical things that could never happen here. Or if it did, it would be quickly edited by RFC out from fear of reprisal from the pandemonium that would be unleashed on these forums.
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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by Daryl   » Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:36 am

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Saw the new Star Wars movie today. Immensely good entertainment and spectacular side effects, and I really enjoyed it. However it is not Science Fiction, sound in vacuum, laser tracks in vacuum, FTL in real space, and much else.
This led me to wonder if we shouldn't be patient, and wait for our movie CCG etc technology to mature more, and then a low budget series could be made that would be profitable for our relatively small fan base, while staying true to physics?
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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by munroburton   » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:27 am

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Daryl wrote:Saw the new Star Wars movie today. Immensely good entertainment and spectacular side effects, and I really enjoyed it. However it is not Science Fiction, sound in vacuum, laser tracks in vacuum, FTL in real space, and much else.
This led me to wonder if we shouldn't be patient, and wait for our movie CCG etc technology to mature more, and then a low budget series could be made that would be profitable for our relatively small fan base, while staying true to physics?


Saw it yesterday. I did enjoy it, but agree they got a lot of stuff questionable - you listed most of them, but my particular peeve was ships bumping into stuff and not seeming to be significantly damaged. Then others blowing apart from love taps.

I think CGI is relatively cheap now - you can see hundreds of home-made clips on youtube as good and even better than movies in the last five-ten years. The real cost there is in the manpower required to create all those sequences. Formal productions also have to deal with several tiers of bureaucracy(executive meddling), which imposes a lot of procedures and processes to follow and detracts from the creative process.
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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by n7axw   » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:39 am

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Daryl wrote:Honorverse physics is rigorous, once you get past a few little things like breaking the second law of thermodynamics (perpetual motion) inherent in the wedge, and hyperspace.

Mind you our world would seem to defy common sense to someone from as far back as the Honorverse is forward to us.


Don't have to go that far back... Imagine Gustavus Adolf with a nuclear powered Sub... unless, of course, he is in the 1632 series... :lol:

Come on you guys, some humor...Hutch needs help waking up!!!

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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by n7axw   » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:41 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
Theemile wrote:At the same time, you don't want to name it the Japanese word for "Completely Harmless Flower full of Gold" - that also might also set someone's antenna twitching.


That might be a very good name for a Q-ship; the idea is to get the bad guys to come to the Q-ship so it isn't necessary to chase them. :lol:

Of course, Pirates aren't generally famous for their linguistic talents, so the English translation would probably work better, even if it is a bit long. :lol:


Pirate's Bane? IIRC that one was pretty successful...

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Re: Just for fun, a bit of crossover.
Post by cthia   » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:11 am

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Weird Harold wrote:
Theemile wrote:At the same time, you don't want to name it the Japanese word for "Completely Harmless Flower full of Gold" - that also might also set someone's antenna twitching.


That might be a very good name for a Q-ship; the idea is to get the bad guys to come to the Q-ship so it isn't necessary to chase them. :lol:

Of course, Pirates aren't generally famous for their linguistic talents, so the English translation would probably work better, even if it is a bit long. :lol:


n7axw wrote:Pirate's Bane? IIRC that one was pretty successful...

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Designing Q-ships must have been a copper-plated Ransom. What happened to A - P? Unless 'Q' has a very special meaning... like Quixote. Now that would be an apt name for a Q-ship. At least a Manticoran Q-ship. LOL

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