Just for fun, a bit of crossover.

Okay, so our company is doing something cool and taking us to an early viewing of a just reviewed but not quite released yet movie with a good soundtrack and space gong warships, energy weapons, torps, yada yada yada. Since there's a theory

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w: wrote: that a certain stretchy alien critter (except bipedal and really has nothing to do with anything other than my desire to add on and be fun) is actually a "dark power bearing puppet _____ lord"...

hmmmmmm" we must here ask....

Humor intended. Was HMMAC Wayfarer a repurposed Star Destroyer? and the more important question. Is Honor Harrington a Jedi? Is Nimitz' the Honorverse Yoda? Inquiring minds wish to know!

Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

Hutch wrote:Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

Some say that Star Wars isn't SciFi but fantasy since the technology has zero impact on the story and are all handwavium, but also because the main characters are wielding swords and uses "magic" and have titles like 'Knights' and 'Lords'. Basically it's just a medieval story that uses a futuristic backdrop.

People will always find similarities between stories since they mostly are about good vs evil dressed up in different "costumes".

Regarding the Reddit, finding patterns where none really exists and forcing facts into ones own ideas is something the human mind excels at - and this time we have someone that did it as a humorous 'what if' exercise.

Joat42 wrote:

Hutch wrote:Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

Some say that Star Wars isn't SciFi but fantasy since the technology has zero impact on the story and are all handwavium, but also because the main characters are wielding swords and uses "magic" and have titles like 'Knights' and 'Lords'. Basically it's just a medieval story that uses a futuristic backdrop.

People will always find similarities between stories since they mostly are about good vs evil dressed up in different "costumes".

Regarding the Reddit, finding patterns where none really exists and forcing facts into ones own ideas is something the human mind excels at - and this time we have someone that did it as a humorous 'what if' exercise.

Having read (and watched) a potentially alarming amount of fantasy in my day, I would agree wholeheartedly that Star Wars owes far more to people like Alfred Lord Tennyson and J.R.R. Tolkien than it does to Heinlein, Asimov, etc.

And goddammit, I like it that way.

roseandheather wrote:Having read (and watched) a potentially alarming amount of fantasy in my day, I would agree wholeheartedly that Star Wars owes far more to people like Alfred Lord Tennyson and J.R.R. Tolkien than it does to Heinlein, Asimov, etc.

And goddammit, I like it that way.

Actually, if various scholarly analyses of Episode Four can be believed, Star Wars owes as much to Louis Lamour and anonymous B-Movie westerns as it does to Tolkien.

Weird Harold wrote:

roseandheather wrote:Having read (and watched) a potentially alarming amount of fantasy in my day, I would agree wholeheartedly that Star Wars owes far more to people like Alfred Lord Tennyson and J.R.R. Tolkien than it does to Heinlein, Asimov, etc.

And goddammit, I like it that way.

Actually, if various scholarly analyses of Episode Four can be believed, Star Wars owes as much to Louis Lamour and anonymous B-Movie westerns as it does to Tolkien.

Come back Ronald, all is forgiven

Hutch wrote:Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

LOL... funny Hutch. Have a jar of java. Hot. Black. Strong.

Funny how we take physics digs at our Sci-Fi.

But we say nothing when our super heroes defy... defynition. Nobody says anything when Supergirl or the Flash swoops down and rescues someone out from under a hurtling object with an acceleration that compensators can't handle.

Honorverse ships should be named after super heroes. Fearless should have been named RMN Super Girl. Terekov's ship should have been RMN Super Man. The MAlign ship would have been MA Invisible girl. The Andermani ship that shadowed Jessica Epps would have been the IAN Watcher. The Haven Q-ship should have been the RHN Dr. Doom.

At least one League ship should have been named SLN Batman, if only to facilitate... "Holy Bat crap, Robin. Look at that massive launch!”

Nimitz doesn't defy belief because we all know he's a Mutant Ninja Cat.

Joat42 wrote:

Hutch wrote:Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

Some say that Star Wars isn't SciFi but fantasy since the technology has zero impact on the story and are all handwavium, but also because the main characters are wielding swords and uses "magic" and have titles like 'Knights' and 'Lords'. Basically it's just a medieval story that uses a futuristic backdrop.

People will always find similarities between stories since they mostly are about good vs evil dressed up in different "costumes".

Regarding the Reddit, finding patterns where none really exists and forcing facts into ones own ideas is something the human mind excels at - and this time we have someone that did it as a humorous 'what if' exercise.

roseandheather wrote:Having read (and watched) a potentially alarming amount of fantasy in my day, I would agree wholeheartedly that Star Wars owes far more to people like Alfred Lord Tennyson and J.R.R. Tolkien than it does to Heinlein, Asimov, etc.

And goddammit, I like it that way.

Me too! Dispense with all of the fouls and let them play ball!!

cthia wrote:

Hutch wrote:Too early for me to do any thinking, so I'll simply mention my stance on certain sagas that I read/view:

The Honorverse understands and respects physics, except where the power of plot drives it, and even then the 'fiddly-bits" usually try to fit into the known universe.

Star Trek uses the word physics quite a lot, but doesn't really seem to understand what it really means.

Star Wars tell physics to take a flying leap and does whatever they damn well please.

Know that's not an answer to your OP, but I got up at 4am and I'm grumpy...

LOL... funny Hutch. Have a jar of java. Hot. Black. Strong.

Funny how we take physics digs at our Sci-Fi.

But we say nothing when our super heroes defy... defynition. Nobody says anything when Supergirl or the Flash swoops down and rescues someone out from under a hurtling object with an acceleration that compensators can't handle.

Honorverse ships should be named after super heroes. Fearless should have been named RMN Super Girl. Terekov's ship should have been RMN Super Man. The MAlign ship would have been MA Invisible girl. The Andermani ship that shadowed Jessica Epps would have been the IAN Watcher. The Haven Q-ship should have been the RHN Dr. Doom.

At least one League ship should have been named SLN Batman, if only to facilitate... "Holy Bat crap, Robin. Look at that massive launch!”

Nimitz doesn't defy belief because we all know he's a Mutant Ninja Cat.

Just what we're supposed to take seriously - e.g., physics - in a story varies by genre. Star Trek kind of invites trying to take real-world physics seriously, at least as a starting point. So does the Honorverse. It gets adjusted as need be, but if it gets adjusted more than need be, a typical audience member may start frowning.

Star Wars and superhero stuff does not even invite that perspective. All we ask there is that it's consistent with established fact within the universe, and sometimes we'll give it a pass then. The standard becomes much more a matter of sheer storytelling.

Also, Q-ships are supposed to be innocuous. Ya name a freighter Dr. Doom and pirates are going to take a careful second or third look at it!

JeffEngel wrote:<snip>

Also, Q-ships are supposed to be innocuous. Ya name a freighter Dr. Doom and pirates are going to take a careful second or third look at it!

At the same time, you don't want to name it the Japanese word for "Completely Harmless Flower full of Gold" - that also might also set someone's antenna twitching.