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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by evilauthor   » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:06 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Hi PeterZ,

Those were 'combat remotes'; made by OWL and evidently much larger that could manipulate weapons far more powerful than the gunpowder rifles, that probably used counter-gravity as they 'glided' rather than walked, while using the various stealth devices to look like men.


I didn't get that the combat remotes looked ANYTHING like men. They did use black powder rifles for the convoy ambush, but stayed completely out of sight of the actual human beings in it. Which was easy to do since it was a NIGHT attack. The only raider the convoy actually SAW was Dyallid Mab (spelling?).
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by JeffEngel   » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:42 am

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TBird50 wrote:Also, I know that at least some if not all the remotes can be or are "stealthed". Do you think that stealth works as a blanket so that things the remotes carry are also stealthed? I guess what I'm thinking about is that broadsides, those crush gauges, etc all are at a scale that can be seen by humans (obviously), so the transport of those items seems to be a risk, especially right during the transfer of the broadsides to the doors (or whatever). If they could be stealthed too until released by the remote, that would sure make things easier.

It would. But they could probably manage to sneak them into position and onto walls by (1) keeping enough eye on the area that they know when someone would have them in sight, (2) moving around in the open only when no one is looking, and (3) moving about and getting the broadsheet slapped up very quickly.
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:03 pm

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JeffEngel wrote:
C. O. Thompson wrote:This raises a few questions as relates to use of these units...
Do you think that these larger (combat) remotes are the same thing as the servitors that were mentioned as being used in the War of the Fallen?
They're at least the same general sort of things as the combat servitors used then. How close, there's no way to tell. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Chihirites were using some TF standard ground combat remotes of the very same model stashed in the Cave; it wouldn't be a surprise if there were a large number of models with no overlap happening to occur that way; it wouldn't be a surprise if the Chihirites had to re-invent combat remotes based on civilian models just because all the (few) proper ones were in Fallen hands. We just don't know.
How much of a priority do you think should be given to resupply of the raw materials that OWL needs to build these and (for example another PICA)?
Compared to what? If it's that versus manufacturing to neutralize or figure out the OBS, I'd peg the OBS as more important to handle than anything they are likely to be able to handle on the ground (specifically, the Temple itself). For anything not the Temple or the OBS, I doubt the ground combat remotes are going to be both very useful and entirely necessary.

I think that some of these remotes were/are used to paste the broadsides up all over the place

Some of some remotes, at least. If the combat models were used for that, they'd be far more numerous and stealthy than I would have assumed. (Well, unless maybe, of say 1000 broadsheets put up, 2 of them sucked up a few otherwise spare combat remotes.)



Jeff,

You have read my comments on the OBS... I think that neutralizing it is amid the highest priorities that face the Inner Circle.

It is literally hanging over their heads with the ability to stop them cold.

Taking it out or taking it over may require the use of some combat remotes but taking it out should be a last resort and if done, try to do it in such a way as to light up the sky.
Just my 2 ₡ worth
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by n7axw   » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:41 pm

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Given the fact that there was nothing in Merlin's cave that was capable of dealing with the OBS, how would you propose to deal with it?

I'm all in favor of your priority, mind you. I just don't see a way of getting it done out of currently available resourses.

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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:05 pm

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I'd advise Merlin to build the tools to build the tools to build an anti-OBS weapon. If there is heavy low-tech work needed as part of it, Howsmynn would be happy to contribute.
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:38 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:I'd advise Merlin to build the tools to build the tools to build an anti-OBS weapon. If there is heavy low-tech work needed as part of it, Howsmynn would be happy to contribute.


Expert Snuggler has one good approach... but let's also consider that there are a lot more toys in the cave then there were when Merlin first gave the issue some thought. Maybe Nharman and OWL need to assign some cycles to the problem. :twisted:
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:41 am

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Designing an attack plan to take out the OBS, even including designing the weapon systems required, is exactly what OWL was made for. It says something about TF AIs that OWL hasn't gone crazy from being relegated to forgery, propaganda, and lingerie manufacturing. He would welcome the project.
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by Randomiser   » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:35 am

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Merlin has some kind of stealth technology that makes him hard to spot when he wants to hide. As seen in his various nocturnal exploits and especially in his internal dialogue when he led the pursuers away from Irys and Daivan towards the end of their rescue. The SNARCs, at least, have the same. Since Merlin's covers his clothes and gear, one assumes the SNARCs' covers at least a moderate amount of what they are carrying.
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by C. O. Thompson   » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:48 am

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Expert snuggler wrote:Designing an attack plan to take out the OBS, even including designing the weapon systems required, is exactly what OWL was made for. It says something about TF AIs that OWL hasn't gone crazy from being relegated to forgery, propaganda, and lingerie manufacturing. He would welcome the project.


ES,

I got the feeling that OWL was chomping at the bit in the end of HFQ still, I have to think that OWL is generally satisfied with the hand dealt... and thanks to the close proximity with NB, is learning to be more creative than previously.
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Re: What exactly is a "remote"?
Post by Rawb   » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:19 am

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Just popping in with a related question.

There are some mentions when talking about the War Against The Fallen of "Servitors," I assumed that was just the WATF era name for Remotes. Am I right there?
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