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Days in safehold month/year
Post by isaac_newton   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:05 pm

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Something has been puzzling me recently and it's about the number of days in a safehold month. I expect this has been covered way back, but I couldn't find a relevant thread, so hoped that someone could shed light

I had been assuming that safehold months were earth length months, i.e. about 30days.

One of RFC's lines about BGV's average speed only made sense if the month was a lot longer - about 50days. That made a lot more sense - giveing longer growing seasons in the north etc.

I scouted round and in the very back of my copy of Armagedon Reef foudn the note of Safehold timekeeping. It says that a month is composed of 10x5day weeks, i.e. 50days/month. Now given 10months in a year that makes a year about 500 days. Fine

However in that note it also states that there are 301 days in the year. Not fine.

Can anyone resolve me this apparent contradiction - is it a typo?
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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by Tonto Silerheels   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:11 pm

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isaac_newton wrote:

Can anyone resolve me this apparent contradiction - is it a typo?

Probably a typo. I did find your ten five-days per month quote, but I also found one saying six five-days per month. The quote containing six five-days also mentions a 795 hours long month, which makes it a lot closer to six five-days.

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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:05 pm

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OAR Backmatter wrote:A Note on Safeholdian Timekeeping

The Safeholdian day is 26 hours and 31 minutes long. Safehold’s year is 301.32 local days in length, which works out to .91 Earth standard years. It has one major moon, named Langhorne, which orbits Safehold in 27.6 local days, so the lunar month is approximately 28 days long.

The Safeholdian day is divided into twenty-six 60-minute hours, and one 31-minute period, known as “Langhorne’s Watch,” which is used to adjust the local day into something which can be evenly divided into standard minutes and hours.

The Safeholdian calendar year is divided into ten months: February, April, March, May, June, July, August, September, October, and November. Each month is divided into ten five-day weeks, each of which is referred to as a “five-day.” The days of the week are: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. The extra day in each year is inserted into the middle of the month of July, but is not numbered. It is referred to as “God’s Day” and is the high holy day of the Church of God Awaiting. What this means, among other things, is that the first day of every month will always be a Monday, and the last day of every month will always be a Friday. Every third year is a leap year, with the additional day—known as “Langhorne’s Memorial”—being inserted, again, without numbering, into the middle of the month of February. It also means that each Safeholdian month is 795 standard hours long, as opposed to 720 hours for a 30-day Birth month.

The Safeholdian equinoxes occur on April 23 and September 22. The solstices fall on July 7 and February 8.

Hope it helps,
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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by emeye   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:26 pm

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Somebody failed elementary arithmetic there:

10 months consisting of ten five-day weeks each do not add up to 300 days in my book.

6 five-day weeks per month, yes.

thinkstoomuch wrote:
OAR Backmatter wrote:A Note on Safeholdian Timekeeping

The Safeholdian day is 26 hours and 31 minutes long. Safehold’s year is 301.32 local days in length, which works out to .91 Earth standard years. It has one major moon, named Langhorne, which orbits Safehold in 27.6 local days, so the lunar month is approximately 28 days long.

The Safeholdian day is divided into twenty-six 60-minute hours, and one 31-minute period, known as “Langhorne’s Watch,” which is used to adjust the local day into something which can be evenly divided into standard minutes and hours.

The Safeholdian calendar year is divided into ten months: February, April, March, May, June, July, August, September, October, and November. Each month is divided into ten five-day weeks, each of which is referred to as a “five-day.” The days of the week are: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. The extra day in each year is inserted into the middle of the month of July, but is not numbered. It is referred to as “God’s Day” and is the high holy day of the Church of God Awaiting. What this means, among other things, is that the first day of every month will always be a Monday, and the last day of every month will always be a Friday. Every third year is a leap year, with the additional day—known as “Langhorne’s Memorial”—being inserted, again, without numbering, into the middle of the month of February. It also means that each Safeholdian month is 795 standard hours long, as opposed to 720 hours for a 30-day Birth month.

The Safeholdian equinoxes occur on April 23 and September 22. The solstices fall on July 7 and February 8.

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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by Randomiser   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:01 pm

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It is six five-days to the month. But I can't think of textev off hand.
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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:12 pm

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emeye wrote:Somebody failed elementary arithmetic there:

10 months consisting of ten five-day weeks each do not add up to 300 days in my book.

6 five-day weeks per month, yes.


Dang that is HILARIOUS. :lol:

It is finally right in AMF. (6) five day weeks.

At least according to my electronic copies on mobi pocket reader. Verified with my Paper copy of AMF for the print Only one I currently have on hand.

... Each month is divided into six five-day weeks, each of which is referred to as a “five-day.” ...


What I get for going with the first place I knew it was. :oops:

My apologies for not fact checking. Still haven't except for this one. So I guess I really didn't learn much.

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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by isaac_newton   » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:39 am

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I finally re-found the odd textev that I spotted in HFQ when I first started this thread.

p229 hardback [section 1 of April YOG 897].Go4 conference. Magwair says 'but he's advanced over seven hundred miles in less than a month and a half. That's and average of almost eight miles a day...'

Now if a month is 6 x five days, then a month and a half is roughly 50 days.

Eight miles per day for 50 days makes 400 miles, I do believe, and not 700 miles!

So, is there a typo of some sort here or maybe the safehold month is longer after all?
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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by Weird Harold   » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:25 am

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isaac_newton wrote:p229 hardback [section 1 of April YOG 897].Go4 conference. Magwair says 'but he's advanced over seven hundred miles in less than a month and a half. That's and average of almost eight miles a day...'

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So, is there a typo of some sort here or maybe the safehold month is longer after all?


Perhaps it's just Magwair being bad at math. He's off by a factor of two, it should be 15.55... mile/day -- which sort of matches BGV's estimates, IIRC.
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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by lyonheart   » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:28 am

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Hi Weird Harold,

Yup, it's one of the several typo's I suspect people are going to post about, though even listing them will not win any brownie points from RFC.

It could be a typo either way, as in ~16 miles per day or MPD, or less than 700 miles, depending on where and when they think BGV began his advance, ie if it was ~600 miles in almost 2 month's, it'd be around 10 MPD.

16 MPD sustained for around 44 days straight is a pretty amazing march performance, even with a day being 10%+ longer, and a slightly lower gravity, with caribou and snow lizards doing most of the hard work, though it might depend on just how many caribou, snow lizards, and winterized dragons we're talking about. ;)

Anyone care to guess how many animals were involved, ten thousand, twenty thousand, maybe thirty thousand?

How much can a caribou pull on a sled?

Is that enough for one man for a month or two?

Perhaps our Scandinavian friends can help fill in the blanks.

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Weird Harold wrote:
isaac_newton wrote:p229 hardback [section 1 of April YOG 897].Go4 conference. Magwair says 'but he's advanced over seven hundred miles in less than a month and a half. That's and average of almost eight miles a day...'

...

So, is there a typo of some sort here or maybe the safehold month is longer after all?


Perhaps it's just Magwair being bad at math. He's off by a factor of two, it should be 15.55... mile/day -- which sort of matches BGV's estimates, IIRC.
Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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Re: Days in safehold month/year
Post by BarryKirk   » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:32 am

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How do you factor in the gravity level of 0.9?

I don't think we have enough real world experience to even guess that.
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