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Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by cthia   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:56 am

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Let's Sigmund fry a Ransom

I'm a bit embarrassed that I find her photo totally alluring. I'm hearing my sisters' voices when I was a young, rather naïve 'horny toad,'...

"You'd lay with a scarecrow if it donned a miniskirt."

"Only if she has a bikini wax. I don't like protruding straw."

I'm looking for a psychoanalysis of Cordelia Ransom. What would possess such a beautiful young lady to become the copper plated dish of the Honorverse? At what point in her life do you suppose came the deciding event?

Was she an abused child? Did her father fail to give her praise, show her love or hug her? Was she from a broken home?

I don't understand how she ended up with so much power. The scope of her title was little more than a PR professional - she who lies to the public when need be, intercepts and diverts questions.

She didn't seem to fear Pierre or Saint-Just. In fact, they seemed to fear her. As a reader, I always thought that she would somehow seize the reins and become the President and as a result Haven would become a very ruthless adversary to the Star Kingdom. I seriously thought that RFC was grooming her in storyline just for that. "Oops."

My Star Kingdom for a Ransom
I shudder to think what would have become of the Haven sector if she had. IMO, if she had become President and somehow managed to convince the navy to support her -- by measure of her ruthless tactics the Star Kingdom would have become hers!

Cordelia Ransom had something to do with mental hygiene? But her mental hygiene was unclean. :lol:
The Secretary for Public Information was a cabinet position in the Republic of Haven, responsible for the media (and censorship) apparatus known as the Office of Public Information, or PubIn. (HH1) In 1884 PD, the Bureau of Mental Hygiene was transferred to the department from the Ministry of Public Health. (HH3)

Appearance
Ransom was a petite, golden-haired woman who made very little use of makeup. (HH3)
Witches don't wear makeup because it would run.

Biography
A citizen of the People's Republic of Haven, Ransom was a prominent member of the radical Citizens' Rights Union, which resorted to acts of terrorism in their defense of the right to the high state-supported standard of living.

Together with Robert Pierre and Oscar Saint-Just, she led the coup against the Legislaturalist regime, and became a senior member of the newly installed Committee of Public Safety. She provided specially selected action teams from the Citizens' Rights Union to eliminate Internal Security chief Constance Palmer-Levy. Her official position was Secretary for Public Information, which gave her control of the People's Republic's media and extensive propaganda apparatus. (HH3)

In 1911 PD, Ransom wanted to use the capture of Manticoran naval hero Honor Harrington as a propaganda weapon and personally took Harrington to her scheduled execution on the prison planet Hades. However, Ransom was killed when the battlecruiser Tepes was destroyed by Horace Harkness. (HH7, OBS)

Following her death, her faction was quietly purged. She was replaced as Secretary of Public Information by Leonard Boardman, who, while a skilled propagandist, utterly lacked her personal charisma and was entirely subordinate to Pierre and Saint-Just. (HH8)

Character
Ransom was considered a very skillful propagandist, but the more level-headed Rob S. Pierre and Saint-Just noted that she had extremely radical opinions about politics and economics. As Admiral Thomas Theisman noted, she actually seemed to believe her own propaganda lies. Unlike Pierre and Saint-Just, she took personal satisfaction in destroying enemies, real or perceived, in the most thorough and terrifying manner possible.
In addition, she possessed an entirely irrational hatred and fear of the military; not the reasoned and entirely justified fear of Pierre and Saint-Just, who knew full well that the Committee had earned the military's hatred, but a deep, ideological loathing she displayed in her eagerness to crush even the slightest hint of independence.

We can't even figure out the origin of her namesake much less the cause.
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Sigmund Freud
http://www.simplypsychology.org/Sigmund-Freud.html

Edit: typo.

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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by cthia   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:12 am

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I think that her father shunned her - or it was the classic broken home where she felt responsible, which turned to rage. A classic monster making situation.

I really did think that she'd become President of Haven. I feared for the Star Kingdom's hide. I don't doubt for a single moment that assassinations would have become at the top of her list.

I'm just not sure of the effectiveness of the RHN under her regime.

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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by Howard T. Map-addict   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:12 pm

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If Cordelia Ransom had a model in France,
she might have been Charlotte Corday,
who assassinated Jean-Paul Marat.

HTM

cthia wrote:Let's Sigmund fry a Ransom

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I'm looking for a psychoanalysis of Cordelia Ransom. What would possess such a beautiful young lady to become the copper plated dish of the Honorverse?

{big snip}

We can't even figure out the origin of her namesake much less the cause.
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by saber964   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:40 pm

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Or we can use the name of her flagship. The PNS Tepes was named after Vlad Tepes aka Vlad the Impaler Bram Stoker's inspiration for Dracula.
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by Silverwall   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:56 pm

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Rather than try to postulate some kind of childhood trauma or dissociation from her father I would be far more likely to look at classic mental disorders.

She shows strong signs of sociopathy with no empthay for others showing in her make up. Every on screen moment with her has her showing no emotional involvement beyond the self so I would put her down as a high functioning sociopath a real wolf of wall street don't give a crap about anyone but me type. Given her role in lying to the public for the committee these are actually good success traits as it makes it much much easier to present lies as the truth as you are not concerned with the feelings of those you are decieving.

She may also have traits of Narcicism mixed in.
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by cthia   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:27 pm

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I assume the classic cause of an abused child/broken home syndrome because those situations, when they go awry - they go awry. Little girls shunned by their fathers can be a real monster maker. I know it's probably a cliché amateur analysis but IMO Ransom is the quintessential poster child of abuse.

The evil that comes out of her seems so intimate somehow. She isn't emotionally detached from her executions. Her personal feelings were very much involved. She was emotionally immune from the backlash of any remorse or guilt - which suggests to me something deeply rooted but her emotions were very much involved. The overarching emotion is pleasure. She enjoyed her crimes against humanity - crimes that all seem to resemble the worst hate crimes - akin to a spurned lover stabbing their ex-lover 55 times is Ransom's blood type. She got off on torturing Honor. She didn't need to berate and humiliate Honor to achieve the very same goals. Hurting Nimitz was intended to hurt Honor at Ransom's joy. Ransom was textbook sick. Internally, Ransom made Hitler look like a choir boy.

I'd venture to say that she exhibited an almost symbiotic relationship with power. Power in which she related to and identified as, control. Control of her life which she lacked, yet yearned for, in her childhood.
Unlike Pierre and Saint-Just, she took personal satisfaction in destroying enemies, real or perceived, in the most thorough and terrifying manner possible.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by Weird Harold   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:32 pm

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cthia wrote:I'm looking for a psychoanalysis of Cordelia Ransom.


'Tis my considered analysis, "Yes, Cordelia Ransom was Pscho." :lol:

I really don't need much more than that.
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by cthia   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:53 pm

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Weird Harold wrote:
cthia wrote:I'm looking for a psychoanalysis of Cordelia Ransom.


'Tis my considered analysis, "Yes, Cordelia Ransom was Pscho." :lol:

I really don't need much more than that.

Nah, she lowered the bar a lot! Hitler was psycho. Ransom? No one can limbo under the bar she set!

Psycho just seems so blasé for her.

Son, your mother says I have to hang you. Personally I don't think this is a capital offense. But if I don't hang you, she's gonna hang me and frankly, I'm not the one in trouble. —cthia's father. Incident in ? Axiom of Common Sense
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by kzt   » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:13 pm

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You haven't read enough non-fiction. There are many people out there who do abominable things to other, and they often die in bed of old age surrounded by their loving families. Che's "I am worth more to you alive than dead" cry before the murderous thug was shot out of hand is not how things usually work in the real world.
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Re: Psychoanalysis of a copper plated Ransom
Post by Weird Harold   » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:30 am

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cthia wrote:Nah, she lowered the bar a lot! Hitler was psycho. Ransom? No one can limbo under the bar she set!

Psycho just seems so blasé for her.


Today's Schlock Mercenary contains a turn of phrase that fits Cordelia:

http://static.schlockmercenary.com/comics/schlock20151121.jpg?1447874137 (Image too wide for the forum.)

The applicable phrase is, "... So broken some of their missing pieces are missing some pieces."
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