Why did Aivah warn Rayno?

Rayno has now consolidated the security around Clyntahn. It reports directly to Rayno. Clyntahn knows The Fist is dangerous and will acquiesce to altered security patterns. All this needs is an immediate threat to to whisk Clyntahn into a secure location. Perfect time to take him into custody. If Rayno does the taking, he might well be able mitigate the reactions of the Inquisitors in and around Zion.

Still working on the reason. If Clyntahn had blackmail info on Rayno, that might have been why Rayno rigged the election. Again, still looking for a reason to tie it all together.

jtg452 wrote:I figure it's all about mind games. You've gotta admit, she is definitely in his head after that little missive was delivered.

Maybe making the Church start reacting rather than acting inside not just the Temple Lands but Zion itself is part of it, too.

Rayno is a behind the scenes guy. A manipulator. He is sitting in the middle of the spider's web pulling the strings. He's the one that's day to day overseeing the counter terror, intel, counter intel, and covert operations for their side.

Getting shoved into the light isn't what he's used to and knowing that he's also a prime target in someone's shooting gallery- someone that has already proven that they are very good at what they do-can't help either his digestion or his sleep.

CJK wrote:Actually we have text that hints that Rayno was the one to rig the election. One of the primary reasons Clyntahn is certain of his loyalty, in addition to not having the connections to replace him. The hints are in book 3 or 4 and are made by Clyntahn's opponent for the position, soon after he is killed along with the rest of the circle.

Wait, where was it confirmed that Rayno rigged the election? There's certainly alot of people who SUSPECT he rigged it, enough so that they're all but certain of it. But that's not the same thing as actual PROOF.

And I don't recall Clyntahn ever musing that Rayno rigged the election, only that there's no way anyone would trust Rayno with the Grand Inquisitor position. Given Clyntahn's ability to believe what he wants to believe, he should have long since convinced himself that he won the election fairly even if he did cheat.

evilauthor wrote:

CJK wrote:Actually we have text that hints that Rayno was the one to rig the election. One of the primary reasons Clyntahn is certain of his loyalty, in addition to not having the connections to replace him. The hints are in book 3 or 4 and are made by Clyntahn's opponent for the position, soon after he is killed along with the rest of the circle.

Wait, where was it confirmed that Rayno rigged the election? There's certainly alot of people who SUSPECT he rigged it, enough so that they're all but certain of it. But that's not the same thing as actual PROOF.

And I don't recall Clyntahn ever musing that Rayno rigged the election, only that there's no way anyone would trust Rayno with the Grand Inquisitor position. Given Clyntahn's ability to believe what he wants to believe, he should have long since convinced himself that he won the election fairly even if he did cheat.

IIRC, the one providing that information was Nynian. As you say, it was more in the order of suspicion than something that could be positively proved.

Don

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Just as an aside, I note that while we've seen a number of CoGA players occasionally having a drink (and the same is certainly true of the Alliance folks), we have not seen anyone higher up who is "drowning their sorrows" with too much drink. For that matter, what other pharmaceuticals does Safehold provide?

I don't expect that of Maigwair or Duchairn, both seem to have more dedication and strength than that, but Trenaire, yes. And as Clyntahn sinks deeper and deeper, he is also more vulnerable - and a drunk tantruming megalomaniac is clearly more dangerous than a sober one. For all I know, he might not be sober when he's having some of his tantrums.

For that matter, if I were Rayno or any of the top inquisitors looking for the Fist of God and getting nowhere, I might be worried.

And any of the other Vicars, targets of the Fist, watching the CoGA fall apart, seeing Clyntahn's excesses and wondering who will be next.

Of course, being drunk within earshot of one of Rayno's informants seems like a very bad idea.

Being a vendor of fine spirits in Zion sounds like a very profitable profession right now.

I also wonder if the Host has a lot of hidden stills producing "vile" rice whiskey for the troops.

-- Bob G

BobG wrote:Just as an aside, I note that while we've seen a number of CoGA players occasionally having a drink (and the same is certainly true of the Alliance folks), we have not seen anyone higher up who is "drowning their sorrows" with too much drink. For that matter, what other pharmaceuticals does Safehold provide?

I don't expect that of Maigwair or Duchairn, both seem to have more dedication and strength than that, but Trenaire, yes. And as Clyntahn sinks deeper and deeper, he is also more vulnerable - and a drunk tantruming megalomaniac is clearly more dangerous than a sober one. For all I know, he might not be sober when he's having some of his tantrums.

For that matter, if I were Rayno or any of the top inquisitors looking for the Fist of God and getting nowhere, I might be worried.

And any of the other Vicars, targets of the Fist, watching the CoGA fall apart, seeing Clyntahn's excesses and wondering who will be next.

Of course, being drunk within earshot of one of Rayno's informants seems like a very bad idea.

Being a vendor of fine spirits in Zion sounds like a very profitable profession right now.

I also wonder if the Host has a lot of hidden stills producing "vile" rice whiskey for the troops.

-- Bob G

Clyntahn is getting to be so dangerous to be around, it wouldn't at all surprise me if someone would slip a knife between his ribs out of self defense. Perhaps we should start a betting pool over who will do the deed.

Don

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Rayno is aware that the Inquisition is making no progress at all in uncovering "The Fist of Kau-Yung" and that Clyntahn knows this, at least because Rayno has not been hiding the fact.

At some point it is certain that Clyntahn's paranoia will lead him to the conclusion that this failure is down to TEACHERY by Rayno and his subordinates, not inability or bad luck, and at that point it would be wise for Rayno to have a "pre-emptive strike" in place to remove Clyntahn before Clyntahn removes him

(Damn "predictive text" - every time I type "Rayno" the damned thing gives me "rayon")

That's OK. We follow the thread of your argument anyway.

Clyntahn without Rayno would be less effective, which offhand seems like a good thing.

chrisd wrote:Rayno is aware that the Inquisition is making no progress at all in uncovering "The Fist of Kau-Yung" and that Clyntahn knows this, at least because Rayno has not been hiding the fact.

At some point it is certain that Clyntahn's paranoia will lead him to the conclusion that this failure is down to TEACHERY by Rayno and his subordinates, not inability or bad luck, and at that point it would be wise for Rayno to have a "pre-emptive strike" in place to remove Clyntahn before Clyntahn removes him

(Damn "predictive text" - every time I type "Rayno" the damned thing gives me "rayon")

Have you added it to your editing program's dictionary?

Edited to remove "Rayno" which I was using to test my editing program

BobG wrote:I also wonder if the Host has a lot of hidden stills producing "vile" rice whiskey for the troops.

-- Bob G

Soldiers will produce alcohol. It's a natural law. We can safely assume that, whatever eases the pain for Gbaba poor bloody infantry, the Gbaba PBI are producing too.

BobG wrote:Just as an aside, I note that while we've seen a number of CoGA players occasionally having a drink (and the same is certainly true of the Alliance folks), we have not seen anyone higher up who is "drowning their sorrows" with too much drink.

Really? Does Thirsk right before Merlin walks in on him not count?