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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:51 pm

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Starsaber,

Undercutting the competition has short term benefits. Sales increase immediately and profits rise as quickly. Politicians might have a great deal of foresight. If they do lower taxes or regulations to lower costs for businesses, the incentives for profit will encourage businesses to lower prices.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by Daryl   » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:01 pm

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To increase your profits you lower prices? I've been in business & can't quite grasp that concept.
Your prices should be set at what the market is prepared to pay, if your production costs (including tax) is lower then you make more profit. If your costs are higher you go broke. Admittedly if your costs are low enough that you can lower prices to undercut the opposition then that works, but lower taxes will apply to all.


PeterZ wrote:Starsaber,

Undercutting the competition has short term benefits. Sales increase immediately and profits rise as quickly. Politicians might have a great deal of foresight. If they do lower taxes or regulations to lower costs for businesses, the incentives for profit will encourage businesses to lower prices.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:01 pm

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Daryl,

When taxes fall for everyone, cost fall and every producer can either lower prices and let those who won't lose sales or keep prices higher and lose sales to those companies that do lower prices. Sufficiently higher sales at lower margins means more profits. Look at Walmart. Very low profit margins but huge sales and profits. Price elasticity for most products and industries pretty much supports this view.

Daryl wrote:To increase your profits you lower prices? I've been in business & can't quite grasp that concept.
Your prices should be set at what the market is prepared to pay, if your production costs (including tax) is lower then you make more profit. If your costs are higher you go broke. Admittedly if your costs are low enough that you can lower prices to undercut the opposition then that works, but lower taxes will apply to all.


PeterZ wrote:Starsaber,

Undercutting the competition has short term benefits. Sales increase immediately and profits rise as quickly. Politicians might have a great deal of foresight. If they do lower taxes or regulations to lower costs for businesses, the incentives for profit will encourage businesses to lower prices.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by Annachie   » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:47 pm

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Daryl, it's the stratagy of hoping to pick up more than enough new business to cover the drop in revenue from the old, especially in sales where your fixed costs like wages wont change.

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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by thinkstoomuch   » Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:22 am

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PBS Fact Checking articles for both the recent debates. I think they are very informative on stuff and well worth reading and not just on what the candidates said but the overall situation. I have included an example below.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fac ... ic-debate/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fac ... op-debate/

Which probably won't help much in figuring any of this out.

Though in a way it does point out who captured the economic growth since 2009.

THE FACTS: As he did in the last debate, Sanders leaned on outdated data.

In the first five years of the economic recovery, 2009-2014, the richest 1 percent captured 58 percent of income growth. That’s according to Emmanuel Saez, a University of California economist whose research Sanders uses. That’s a hefty share, but far short of “almost all.”

In the first three years of the recovery, 2009-2012, the richest 1 percent did capture 91 percent of the growth in income. But part of that gain was an accounting maneuver as the wealthiest pulled income forward to 2012 in advance of tax increases that took effect in 2013 on the biggest earners.

Many companies paid out greater bonuses to their highest-paid employees in 2012 before the higher tax rates took effect. Those bonuses then fell back in 2013. And in 2014, the bottom 99 percent finally saw their incomes rise 3.3 percent, the biggest gain in 15 years.


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Which is a simplistic way to look at it There many other factors involved. <shrug>

Good luck figuring out what any of it means.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by OJsDad   » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:14 am

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Taxes have more to due with competition with other countries than anything else. If US tax rates are a lot higher than other countries, then companies are going to want to move to those countries. The tax rates don't have to be the lowest, but they need to be simple enough that companies aren't spending large amounts of money to pay as little as possible.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:31 am

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OJsDad wrote:Taxes have more to due with competition with other countries than anything else. If US tax rates are a lot higher than other countries, then companies are going to want to move to those countries. The tax rates don't have to be the lowest, but they need to be simple enough that companies aren't spending large amounts of money to pay as little as possible.


The cost to optimize the taxes paid are largely flat. They are, however, very high so only sufficiently large companies can take advantage of such efforts. Unless a company has large enough revenues, the cost of legal efforts to take advantage of tax dodges won't pay for itself. That makes a complicated tax structures one of Warren Buffet's protective walls or moat that provide a competitive advantage for large companies.

Simple tax codes are good for small businesses and most individuals. They are not universally favored by the wealthy and large corporations. So, by all means simply the tax code. Better transform the code to a national sales tax.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by OJsDad   » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:18 pm

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I'm fine with moving to a national sales tax. We'll get a nice bump from all of the tourists. :mrgreen:
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by biochem   » Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:30 pm

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PeterZ wrote:I tend to agree with you, biochem, on most of these issues. I believe I might be a bit more libertarian than you. Not sure by how much. You display a remarkable degree of diplomacy that sound very much like an establishment republican. That of course could be my own prejudice speaking.


You are somewhat more libertarian than I am. I am in the middle of the road between moderate conservative and libertarian with a heavy dose of religious right. I am not establishment and actually dislike the establishment but I am pragmatic enough to recognize that to get things accomplished the office holder must be able to work with the establishment and know how to get things done behind the scenes. However those in the establishment tend to lose touch with the rest of America having spent way too much time in the insider echo chamber. So my preference would be an individual who can walk that fine line. Someone who is establishment enough to get at least some conservative and libertarian policies actually enacted into legislation but is not so much of an establishment insider that they have been captured by insider thinking.
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Re: US Presidential Candidates
Post by PeterZ   » Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:00 pm

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We agree as well on what is preferred. I don't see us getting that in this election and I don't think Clinton will win. So, when confronted with suboptimal options, which will you pick?

I will tend towards supporting someone that will wreck government more than build it up. However distasteful that individual might be. Translation- I'll vote Trump over Hillary but Hillary over Bush. Bush will be much better at making big government palatable. Hillary will simply show just how corrupt her brand of liberal truly is. That will tend to erode support for liberals in general, just as Obama is doing now in his own way.

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PeterZ wrote:I tend to agree with you, biochem, on most of these issues. I believe I might be a bit more libertarian than you. Not sure by how much. You display a remarkable degree of diplomacy that sound very much like an establishment republican. That of course could be my own prejudice speaking.


You are somewhat more libertarian than I am. I am in the middle of the road between moderate conservative and libertarian with a heavy dose of religious right. I am not establishment and actually dislike the establishment but I am pragmatic enough to recognize that to get things accomplished the office holder must be able to work with the establishment and know how to get things done behind the scenes. However those in the establishment tend to lose touch with the rest of America having spent way too much time in the insider echo chamber. So my preference would be an individual who can walk that fine line. Someone who is establishment enough to get at least some conservative and libertarian policies actually enacted into legislation but is not so much of an establishment insider that they have been captured by insider thinking.
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