(SPOILERS) New Weapons

What about airships, either as surveillance or for bombing. David showed us SCUBA and the gas valves used for lighting plus, the sail making industry is about to become a thing of the past so... maybe the weave of sail cloth can be tightened up and cloth coated with the rubber we heard about in connection to improving bicycle tires and maybe a small steam boiler to drive propellers and there you go... into the wild blue yonder

I can see Hector as the first Captain (he has OWL to help plot around storms etc) flying over the Mighty Host and dropping pamphlets that warn unless they surrender in 24 hours they will be bombed... then drop one on a supply wagon to make his point. Or drop pamphlets over Zion with a list of charges against Clyantn and Rayno and... give them 24 hours to turn them over and end the jihad with a few bombs dropped in the fountain at the plaza of martyrs... then fly over the factory where Bro Lyncon is making rockets and give them 20 minutes to evacuate before bombing it.
And back over Zion drop about 1,000 loaded pistols with parachutes over the city... I don't know; I only guess


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It is time for Hovercraft to enter Lake Pei in winter with platoons of mortars for a surprise attack on the Temple.

C. O. Thompson wrote:What about airships, either as surveillance or for bombing. David showed us SCUBA and the gas valves used for lighting plus, the sail making industry is about to become a thing of the past so... maybe the weave of sail cloth can be tightened up and cloth coated with the rubber we heard about in connection to improving bicycle tires and maybe a small steam boiler to drive propellers and there you go... into the wild blue yonder

I can see Hector as the first Captain (he has OWL to help plot around storms etc) flying over the Mighty Host and dropping pamphlets that warn unless they surrender in 24 hours they will be bombed... then drop one on a supply wagon to make his point. Or drop pamphlets over Zion with a list of charges against Clyantn and Rayno and... give them 24 hours to turn them over and end the jihad with a few bombs dropped in the fountain at the plaza of martyrs... then fly over the factory where Bro Lyncon is making rockets and give them 20 minutes to evacuate before bombing it.
And back over Zion drop about 1,000 loaded pistols with parachutes over the city... I don't know; I only guess


I don't know anything...

could use it to sky-write "Surrender Doro^h^h^h^hClyntahn" too.

Now there is the grenade, how about a "Holman Projector"?

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Not needed for AA but a capable grenade thrower.

unlucky caz wrote:The "knee mortar" could be very useful. Something light weight that a infantry squad could use for suppression fire. Each trooper carries a few rounds for it in thier standard pack with all their normal stuff. Similar to how a squad would carry the ammo for the support MG in WWII. And as the HE rounds come into production the large mortars will not be needed as much as they could have the same blasting charge size in a smaller "shell".

Didn't the US have something similar for the 60mm mortar? I recall a teardrop-shaped baseplate and no bipod that made it utterly portable. It may have been USMC, not USA, but the same basic idea as the knee mortar.

OK... the demand to surrendered Cltnthan, Rayno and top staff would be in the pamphlets/leaflets along with a basic "do at home" experiment that explains how an airship operates; but yes, I saw the parallel to Oz when I submitted part of the idea. I think you have to admit that such a demonstration of superior capacities along with invitations to Rainbow Waters to negotiate an alliance with Charis and an invitation to avoid destruction of the entire city of Zion... which I don't think that Cayleb and/or Stohnar would approve anyway. Taking the Temples rocket production off the table would produce a big enough bang that it might be heard across the lake/bay and wold also demonstrate concern for the factory workers.

So you hardware historians...
How many steps in development from the Trapdoor to a version of the Browning .50-caliber M2 machine gun? How about a version of a Gatling gun. My recall is that the Trapdoor version of the bolt action rifle is more like a WWI weapon and the breach loading rifles were Civil War. I know that Winchester had leaver action repeating rifles between then but Safehold development seems to bypass that approach.

If air ships were introduced (and hot air recon platforms were on hand in the Civil War) they would need armaments that scare the cr*p out of the AOG and Mighty Host but must avoid the open flame of the rockets

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Can someone help me out with this gun naming scheme...

I've seen an M96 rifle, an M95 mortar and an M97mortar and also an Msomething grenade launcher.

I understand where M comes from, i.e. Model, but what about the numbers. Are the numbers purely issued sequentially from date of design or production or?
But if so I had the feeling that the rifle was before any of the mortars. What happened to the M92 etc.

AJKohler wrote:

unlucky caz wrote:The "knee mortar" could be very useful. Something light weight that a infantry squad could use for suppression fire. Each trooper carries a few rounds for it in thier standard pack with all their normal stuff. Similar to how a squad would carry the ammo for the support MG in WWII. And as the HE rounds come into production the large mortars will not be needed as much as they could have the same blasting charge size in a smaller "shell".

Didn't the US have something similar for the 60mm mortar? I recall a teardrop-shaped baseplate and no bipod that made it utterly portable. It may have been USMC, not USA, but the same basic idea as the knee mortar.

Yes they did. It was the M19 60mm mortar. As originally made it was WILDLY inaccurate for any kind of point target which led the Army to refuse to use it. The revised, reissued version added a bipod which made it heavier than the earlier mortar with less range. OOOPS!

isaac_newton wrote:Can someone help me out with this gun naming scheme...

I've seen an M96 rifle, an M95 mortar and an M97mortar and also an Msomething grenade launcher.

I understand where M comes from, i.e. Model, but what about the numbers. Are the numbers purely issued sequentially from date of design or production or?
But if so I had the feeling that the rifle was before any of the mortars. What happened to the M92 etc.

Last two digits of the Year of God of introduction, I think.

C. O. Thompson wrote:OK... the demand to surrendered Cltnthan, Rayno and top staff would be in the pamphlets/leaflets along with a basic "do at home" experiment that explains how an airship operates; but yes, I saw the parallel to Oz when I submitted part of the idea. I think you have to admit that such a demonstration of superior capacities along with invitations to Rainbow Waters to negotiate an alliance with Charis and an invitation to avoid destruction of the entire city of Zion... which I don't think that Cayleb and/or Stohnar would approve anyway. Taking the Temples rocket production off the table would produce a big enough bang that it might be heard across the lake/bay and wold also demonstrate concern for the factory workers.

So you hardware historians...
How many steps in development from the Trapdoor to a version of the Browning .50-caliber M2 machine gun? How about a version of a Gatling gun. My recall is that the Trapdoor version of the bolt action rifle is more like a WWI weapon and the breach loading rifles were Civil War. I know that Winchester had leaver action repeating rifles between then but Safehold development seems to bypass that approach.

If air ships were introduced (and hot air recon platforms were on hand in the Civil War) they would need armaments that scare the cr*p out of the AOG and Mighty Host but must avoid the open flame of the rockets

I don't know anything... I only ask questions

On our world the Gatling gun was introduced before the trap-Door, the trap door Springfield was a conversion of the Civil War Springfield rifled musket into a breach loading metallic cartridge firearm.

With OWL's help they are bypassing steps the Gatling Gun is much heavier than a Ma Duse, the Gatling was often mounted on a cannon like carriage. It used more material than a Browning MG, in short better to go to the Browning direct probably the same cartridge as the M-96 to save the logistic headaches of another type of ammunition.

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