The Temple—How might it be taken?

TBird50 wrote:

n7axw wrote:Cryo is probably out. Nobody has ever used the stuff for longer than 50 years, let alone a thousand. I guess that it can theoretically go up to about 150 years.

A more likely possibility is a preserved personality like Nimue or even a AI, in a virtual reality or a PICA.

Don

I don't think it would be a PICA. In OAR, Nimue brought her PICA along at the last minute, but then she transferred to the ship that would be destroyed by the Gbaba. She supposedly tranferred all her baggage including the PICA so that Langhorne would think it was gone (but actually hidden by Pei). Otherwise Langhorne would destroy it. I'm paraphrasing, but I think that was essentially the deal. So if PICA's were available, then why would Nimue's be such a threat, and if they could be manufactured at Safehold, again why would it matter if Numue had one. Instead, Nimue had to basically commit suicide by transferring to the other ship, and her PICA was hidden somewhere on the Safehold ship until turning into Merlin.

TBird50,
Your memory and mine agree but... Langhorn was caught by the pocket nuke and the 'archangels' that survived him had the capability to build PICA's and build servitors as well as the OBS, to use the NEET's and presumably to set up the whatever it is beneath the temple
Who knows, maybe they questioned one of Shaw-Wei supporters and found out something about Numue's PICA... in that case, everything down there is specifically to neutralize Numue/Merlin and technology. If there is a PICA or three stashed away, I want to take it apart before I wake it up.

Like leaving the Black Knight's limbless torso screaming threats at King Author... "("Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to ya! I'll bite your legs off!")." Monty Python Don't reach into a tree chipper till you LOTO if even then

In OAR, Pei Kau-Yung tells Nimue, as he is waking her up, that only one other person knows of her (Nimue) and they both are meeting with Langhorne & the council the next evening. That is when they nuke them, so the only 2 people that know of Nimue's existence were killed in that explosion.

I think, sometimes, because we know what has/is happening currently, that we are pre-supposing boogey man qualities to whatever is under the temple. The way the archangels set things up, and because Shan-wei and her followers (probably not all, but still) were destroyed in the OBS attack, I think they would expect that no (or very few) tech advances would be made in the intervening years before they "return". I doubt if there will be some "terminator" type cyborg coming up out of the Temple to lay waste to things. Of course, you shouldn't count on that so plans should be made for worst case scenarios, but I think it will be much more benign. I may change my mind as I get further into re-reading the early books as there is a lot I've forgotten. But what is under the temple was put there before the war and won't know what has transpired so I think it/they/whatever will expect to find the low tech world they designed.

TBird50 wrote:In OAR, Pei Kau-Yung tells Nimue, as he is waking her up, that only one other person knows of her (Nimue) and they both are meeting with Langhorne & the council the next evening. That is when they nuke them, so the only 2 people that know of Nimue's existence were killed in that explosion.

I think, sometimes, because we know what has/is happening currently, that we are pre-supposing boogey man qualities to whatever is under the temple. The way the archangels set things up, and because Shan-wei and her followers (probably not all, but still) were destroyed in the OBS attack, I think they would expect that no (or very few) tech advances would be made in the intervening years before they "return". I doubt if there will be some "terminator" type cyborg coming up out of the Temple to lay waste to things. Of course, you shouldn't count on that so plans should be made for worst case scenarios, but I think it will be much more benign. I may change my mind as I get further into re-reading the early books as there is a lot I've forgotten. But what is under the temple was put there before the war and won't know what has transpired so I think it/they/whatever will expect to find the low tech world they designed.

TBird 50,

You are probably correct on the note that "only one other" person knew about Nimue... of course that doesn't absolutely preclude a change of plans wuth Kau-Yung or that Shan-Wei did something in the years that they were separated that he did not know about.
I guess I should learn how to be patient because I won't know for 18 - 24 months unless David has the storyboard further developed and closer to publication that my wildest dreams would permit. <<and my dreams can be fairly wild>>

Hi C.O.

Oh I agree that there could be any number of ways that info about Nimue could have leaked out. But I think we can only go by what is in evidence. DW, if he were to be mean (ha), can come up with anything he wants; but I would rather believe that he will not pull a "Oh did I forget to mention that ..." sort of change to things we think we know. But of course that's why we keep reading, to see what his devious mind will dream up for us next.

There was that cryptic reference the Brothers of Saint Zherneau had.

TBird50 wrote:Hi C.O.

Oh I agree that there could be any number of ways that info about Nimue could have leaked out. But I think we can only go by what is in evidence. DW, if he were to be mean (ha), can come up with anything he wants; but I would rather believe that he will not pull a "Oh did I forget to mention that ..." sort of change to things we think we know. But of course that's why we keep reading, to see what his devious mind will dream up for us next.

TBird 50

Helm Cleaver and the Sisters of Saint Kodhy sort of came out of left field and as ExpertSnuggler reminded us, there was a "cryptic reference the Brothers of Saint Zherneau" which also came as a surprize
I believe we are looking at effect and cause instead of cause and effect while David defiantly has his head screwed on straight

I know nothing... I only guess

I fully expect more surprises along the lines of Helm Cleaver et al because it is new to the story. He didn't do a back story on them telling us one thing and then having it turn out differently. What I'm against is DW intentionally (or maybe not intentionally) mis-leading us. I don't think he would do that, so if he says only 2 people knew about Nimue I think we should believe it. Otherwise it would seem too much like pulling a rabbit out of a hat because anything could then be explained by saying "but I didn't tell you the whole story". I personally would be disappointed if he resorts to that strategy, although I recognize that it is certainly possible.