Sorry to say

pokermind wrote:So you decide to have sex anyway and get pregnant and you want my tax dollars to finance your choice to murder another human being? It's my body my choice, says you. So how is this different from me getting drunk driving a car and accidentally killing an innocent person, it's my body my choice.

pokermind wrote:The whole thing is a mess, so why is it OK that the woman has a choice, but neither the man nor society does?

Daryl wrote:By Honorverse times it will be a simple matter of tubing, disposal, or not tubing at a very early stage, hopefully without religious hang ups.

pokermind wrote:Basically this issue is too polarizing to allow reasoned argument.

Having sex has two main risks, venereal ills and pregnancy. Other than sterilization no birth control method is 100% effective. Abortion has become just another form of birth control.

So you decide to have sex anyway and get pregnant and you want my tax dollars to finance your choice to murder another human being?

It's my body my choice, says you. So how is this different from me getting drunk driving a car and accidentally killing an innocent person, it's my body my choice.

Then there is the other side, the woman decides to have the child, and the father is financially responsible for 18 years. No you can't force a woman to have an abortion. Or the woman goes on welfare and we all pay.

The whole thing is a mess, so why is it OK that the woman has a choice, but neither the man nor society does?

gcomeau wrote:

pokermind wrote:Basically this issue is too polarizing to allow reasoned argument.

Having sex has two main risks, venereal ills and pregnancy. Other than sterilization no birth control method is 100% effective. Abortion has become just another form of birth control.

So you decide to have sex anyway and get pregnant and you want my tax dollars to finance your choice to murder another human being?

Nobody is using or asking for tax dollars to do this. So have fun playing with your straw man.

It's my body my choice, says you. So how is this different from me getting drunk driving a car and accidentally killing an innocent person, it's my body my choice.

You have got to be kidding. You hitting another person WITH YOUR CAR is "your body your choice?"

You can't actually be clueless enough to think that made any level of sense so I almost have to believe you're just being deliberately obtuse in order to muddy the argument. Either that, or you are about to present us with a stunningly brilliant explanation of how that other person was sustaining their life with your body against your will up until the point where you drove a car over them terminating that undesired use of your body.


(I do not expect to be stunned by your brilliance on this, so will not be holding my breath)

Then there is the other side, the woman decides to have the child, and the father is financially responsible for 18 years. No you can't force a woman to have an abortion. Or the woman goes on welfare and we all pay.

The whole thing is a mess, so why is it OK that the woman has a choice, but neither the man nor society does?

Because. It's. Not. Their. Freaking. Body.

smr wrote:I am paying for it abortion when they reimburse PP.

gcomeau wrote:

smr wrote:I am paying for it abortion when they reimburse PP.

No you are not. You are paying for the mammogram or whatever they are getting reimbursed for.

smr wrote:Please check your facts, PP gets reimbursed for abortions.

PP does not own 1 mammogram machine. That is flat out lie...

Obamacare pays for the mammograms. This is an out right lie. Also, they receive money for dead fetus's that they deliver intact.

Have you watch all 12 video's or have you just been told what's on them?

PeterZ wrote:At its core the question of abortion comes down to weighing the mother's inconvenience to a child's life. I fully accept that at some point the dreadfully painful inconvenience of a pregnancy is greater than the value of a child's life. Rape, incest and health issues come to mind. Yet, so many pro-choicers adamantly assert that any level of inconvenience trumps the Child's life at any stage of pregnancy short of the first breath.

If someone doesn't want to be pregnant, take precautions. If the precautions fail, yes abortion is on the menu of options. Yet, I pray that the woman considers the unique of the human life in her hands and weighs that against her convenience. Thinking about abortions as anything other than the termination of human life and all its potential cheapens every human life.

Most pro-life proponents view our position as fighting for the civil rights of any child to life. Contrast that to the anti-death penalty position of most pro-choicers. Pro-lifers fight for the pure life of children pregnant with the promise and potential for greatness. Anti-death penalty advocates fight for the life of people who have squandered their potential in brutally vicious ways. Yet pro-lifers are castigated for their fight for civil rights.

I always find the contrast worthy of contemplation. Are there deeper parallels? I believe there are.

smr wrote:Well, I stand corrected. Is it not remarkable the baby is clapping in the womb at 14 weeks?!!! As for controlling women....hogwash! It's about the rights of the child either born or unborn. Their is reason for birth control and that I have no problem with BC being inexpensive or subsidized by the federal government but I have a problem paying for abortions! Can you look your brother, sister, son, or daughter in the eyes and say they don't have a right to exist. As for the gender of the posters...I imagine that most people in this forum are male!

Peter, you say that abortion is the termination of human life, yet the fact remains that that life does not begin with conception, since both the sperm and ovum that combine to create a zygote was alive beforehand.

In fact, so was the millions of other sperm cells from the same ejaculation that did not magnate to fertilize an ovum. By your definition of 'human life' the very act of sexual intercourse becomes mass murder.

Furthermore, a woman carries severao hundred ova throughout her life, of which in our modern society only two or three, if that many, will on average become zygotes. Are you saying that every woman commits murder if she fails to have every single ovum fertilized?

Yes, ridiculous, isn't it? Yet by your logic it is an accurate analysis.

Someone else wrote that it isn't 'life' that should be the decisive factor, but 'person hood', and that only begins once the brain is fully developed. I fully agree with that statement.