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Oh No! I like Rayno! (SPOILERS)

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Re: Oh No! I like Rayno! (SPOILERS)
Post by Fireflair   » Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:57 pm

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I've wondered why one of the other of the Go4 don't just kill Clyntahn. He's a mortal man, and clearly off his rocker. Rayno sees it, most of the Go4 sees it pretty clearly. When he's rabidly foaming at the mouth and ordering the impossible, they know he's not sane.

With Clyntahn dead, Rayno might or might not take charge, but the others would be free to execute plans. They could deal with anything which Clyntahn had left behind.
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Re: Oh No! I like Rayno! (SPOILERS)
Post by noblehunter   » Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:08 pm

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By the time killing Clyntahn became a particularly good idea, security was firmly in the hands of the inquisitors. It makes it hard to kill Clyntahn and survive the aftermath.
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Re: Oh No! I like Rayno! (SPOILERS)
Post by SciFi90   » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:29 am

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Charybdis wrote:Given our Author's DEVIOUS mind, I hesitate to think of a certain fate for Archbishop Wyllym Rayno but here is my speculation for two possibilities.

ONE: Rayno reprises the late Bishop of Hanth, Mylz Halcom, in leading the armed 'resistance' movement of the Temple Loyalists after the military defeat of the COGA. As the most powerful subordinate of Clyntahn, he is in the best position to start hiding assets when the stench of defeat starts to smell. As Vicar Clyntahn is too visible and powerful to easily escape the fall of Zion, the same 'probably' would not be true of Rayno, especially if he was on a mission for the Vicar at the time.

TWO: Rayno becomes Safehold's Saul of Tarsus. Having labored in the 'belly of the beast' for so long, he has an even stronger conversion than Duchairn and becomes a closet Reformist. This perhaps happens after Clyntahn gets desperate and orders him to look for 'Holy Relics' in the basement. There he discovers the 'real' Archangel Schueler and is converted.

This would lead to a very interesting sub-story of how he maintains his concealment, subverts Clyntahn and tries to keep on going in the depths of the swamp. Imagine the struggle to keep from pulling a Khapahr and killing Clyntahn before the inevitable, when he knows he remains more valuable staying alive.

Clyntahn issues orders as to the "final" results he wants. Rayno sees to the accomplishment of those orders. The man who carries out those orders is equally liable for the consequences achieved.
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Re: Oh No! I like Rayno! (SPOILERS)
Post by shayvaan   » Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:13 am

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Charybdis wrote:Given our Author's DEVIOUS mind, I hesitate to think of a certain fate for Archbishop Wyllym Rayno but here is my speculation for two possibilities.

ONE: Rayno reprises the late Bishop of Hanth, Mylz Halcom, in leading the armed 'resistance' movement of the Temple Loyalists after the military defeat of the COGA. As the most powerful subordinate of Clyntahn, he is in the best position to start hiding assets when the stench of defeat starts to smell. As Vicar Clyntahn is too visible and powerful to easily escape the fall of Zion, the same 'probably' would not be true of Rayno, especially if he was on a mission for the Vicar at the time.

TWO: Rayno becomes Safehold's Saul of Tarsus. Having labored in the 'belly of the beast' for so long, he has an even stronger conversion than Duchairn and becomes a closet Reformist. This perhaps happens after Clyntahn gets desperate and orders him to look for 'Holy Relics' in the basement. There he discovers the 'real' Archangel Schueler and is converted.

This would lead to a very interesting sub-story of how he maintains his concealment, subverts Clyntahn and tries to keep on going in the depths of the swamp. Imagine the struggle to keep from pulling a Khapahr and killing Clyntahn before the inevitable, when he knows he remains more valuable staying alive.



Saul/Paul's conversion was an incredibly dramatic event.
Saul was a man not to unlike Rayno (although Judaism did not have the equivalent of the Punishment). He was sent to Damascus for the express purpose of bring the Christians back to Jerusalem in chains. He had also presided over the deaths of several Christians most notably, the stoning of Stephen.
Afterwards, Paul was a man that no one could shut up. Despite beatings, scourgings, stonings, riots, imprisonings and various other attempts to kill him.

Anyone who experiences that level of change does not become a "closet" anything. His only real choices would be...
1 Take over (getting rid of Clyntahn in the process) or
2 Get out and setup resistance elsewhere.

Like Duchairn, his newfound faith would render him incapable of doing the things that Clyntahn would require of him, however unlike Duchairn, Rayno is in no place where he could survive doing it, thus his two options.
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Re: Oh No! I like Rayno! (SPOILERS)
Post by bunyipbelle   » Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:59 am

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WeberFan wrote:IMHO...

Rayno is a snake.

Off with his head... :shock:

I agree. Rayno is a very nasty snake in the grass.He deserves to die. One of the Wylsynn brothers mentioned that Rayno rigged the vote in the most recent election for Grand Vicar.If the vote had been fair Samyl Wylsnn would have won the election.
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