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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by PeterZ   » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:18 pm

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Not quite. The proggies have argued the general welfare clause provides the Constitutional foundation. I disagree, but that is the argument. Btw, "provide for the general welfare" is a phrase that can be used to mean anything to an activist enough SCOTUS majority.

HB of CJ wrote:Respectfully, it is possible most of us simply do not understand our situation in the USA. Constitutionally the Federal govment has no legal moral ethical or political mandate to provide ANY national health care. None what so ever. None.

Are we understanding this fact? No where in the Constitution does it talk about national health care. No where. It also says quite plainly in the 10 amendment not to do it. Any failed or some what other situations are extremely non legal.

How illegal? About as much as possible. Way above State or Federal law. Way above any court judgements. The only way to change our illegal situation is to pass a Constitutional amendment allowing national health care. Do we understand?

Respectfully. No possible argument can beat this fact.
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by HB of CJ   » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:12 pm

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PeterZ nails it. Our great nation of law has been hijacked by the vast unwashed non deserving voters. Very sad but very true.
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by gcomeau   » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:57 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:PeterZ nails it. Our great nation of law has been hijacked by the vast unwashed non deserving voters. Very sad but very true.


Here we go again, let's hear all about how the real problem with the country is that pesky democracy thing. Boy the country sure would be better if large chunks of it had no representation in their government. I know! We could call it, ummm... "taxation without representation!" Sounds like utopia doesn't it?

Sad... so very very sad.... that one demographic group cannot simply deny the vote to the other groups it disagrees with. Such a tragedy.
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by HB of CJ   » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:08 pm

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We perhaps disagree with it because it may be very illegal. A very easy concept to understand. Legal. Not legal. Has nothing to do with liberal or Conservative. Either we are a nation of law or we are not.

In the view of many, Obamacare is extremely illegal. That means non Constitutional. Supreme law of the land. Does not matter who voted for it. Who ever did so violated their oath of office to protect and defend. Respectfully.
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by gcomeau   » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:19 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:We perhaps disagree with it because it may be very illegal. A very easy concept to understand. Legal. Not legal. Has nothing to do with liberal or Conservative. Either we are a nation of law or we are not.

In the view of many, Obamacare is extremely illegal.


You realize that even in that post of PeterZ's you were saying "nailed it" he did not agree with this claim?

Your attempt to assert that it is illegal because it is not mandated by the Constitution is pure and complete nonsense. The Constitution gives congress the right to pass laws. Any laws, so long as they do not violate anything else in the Constitution. And Obamacare *doesn't*.

(And yes, that includes the 10th)
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by PeterZ   » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:36 am

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I think election frauds is a bigger problem. The truly ignorant are apathetic and tend not to vote.

HB of CJ wrote:PeterZ nails it. Our great nation of law has been hijacked by the vast unwashed non deserving voters. Very sad but very true.
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by HB of CJ   » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:06 am

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Humm. I agreeded with PeterZ because he and I agree on the feeble non legal excuse the politicians /courts used in stating national health care was OK and Constitutional because it applied ONLY to the "general health and welfare" part of the Constitution. What a crock of progressive non thinking. Respectfully.

I respectfully do not agree with PeterZ about non informed dumb voters NOT voting. I believe the problem is that too many dumb non informed non deserving voters do vote and they vote for a free chicken in the pot. They have not earned the right to vote, have not researched the issues and do not pay taxes at all.

My opinion only. Citizenship must be earned. It should not be given cheaply or freely. One must pay taxes for the district within to vote in that district on that issue. If you do not pay taxes, you do not vote. One must be a productive citizen. No welfare cases please. The USA has strayed from this.

How can citizenship be earned? Very simple. Must be smart. Must speak, read and rite the language. (?). Must work for a living and pay taxes within that taxing district. Then you can vote. If not then you do not vote. The way it must be. Anything else is simply mob rule. My opinion only. Respectfully.
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by The E   » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:52 am

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HB of CJ wrote:How can citizenship be earned? Very simple. Must be smart. Must speak, read and rite the language. (?). Must work for a living and pay taxes within that taxing district. Then you can vote. If not then you do not vote. The way it must be. Anything else is simply mob rule. My opinion only. Respectfully.


And as is tradition everytime you post this load of bullshit, I am gonna ask you something: Which governmental agency do you trust enough to enforce these rules? How do you ensure these rules aren't going to be used against you, or against minorities, or against political opponents?
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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by Annachie   » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:00 am

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First of all, it's spelt write. ;)
Secondly, voter tests typically ate abused to buggery to deny the vote to one minority or another.
Thirdly, I think Starship Troopers had it correct vis citizenship.


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Re: Obamacare implosion
Post by Daryl   » Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:16 am

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So HB of CJ, when you get too old to work and pay taxes you are content to be disfranchised? Just when your life experiences have provided you with the best wisdom you will ever attain? Mind you I'm not saying that your best wisdom is necessarily above or below the average.

As to "must be smart", how is this defined? An engineer and an artist have very different skills, as does everyone.

Generalisations can trip you up, but my experience indicates that progressives can understand where conservatives are coming from in an argument even when they disagree, but conservatives "know" the truth and regard anyone who disagrees with them as being too thick to see what they consider to be obvious. So if conservatives had the sort of power you are advocating they could well relegate any progressives that disagree with them as being "not smart" and thus ineligible to vote.
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