HFQ Thoughts/reflections SPOILERS

n7axw wrote:

BrightSoul wrote:I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned this but did any one else notice all the textev dropped on how thoroughly the inquisition has control of all armed troops near Zion?

When I see the prisoner caravans returning to the Temple Lands I begin to wonder if they could become a source of troops to back Duchairn/Magwaire? Setup for the inevitable internal confrontation?

Then there's the whole Chisholmian rebellion. I've been waiting for Garvai to drop the hammer on them out of Corisande.

Not Gahrvai. The hammer dropper needs to be Chisholmian.

Don

I'm with BrightSoul on this. If Sharley decides to pull the trigger while Gahrvai is still training with his troops, it would be perfect. Corisande gets to rub the aristos noses in it and they get to redeem themselves for letting Pahtryk Hynrai try to kill her and that assassin to try and kill her "son". The Chisholm aristos get the same people that killed Sharley's father and gave them their best opportunity to undo King Sailys' reforms provide the coupe de grace on their aspirations to being anything other than a group of hereditary elitists.

I sure hope RFC takes BrightSoul's suggestion. As for whatever concerns might exist about "foreign" troops quelling an uprising.....well, they are all Chrisians now whatever subject state they also belong to. Nothing will hammer that fact more than having Corisandian-Charisians put down an attempted rebellion by Chisholman-Charisians.

Well, we know from various lines of evidence that Clyntahn's control of the _Inquisition_ is less complete than he likes to assume. It wouldn't be surprising should that incompleteness extend further into Zion's security forces than he's assuming, too.

BrightSoul wrote:I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned this but did any one else notice all the textev dropped on how thoroughly the inquisition has control of all armed troops near Zion?

When I see the prisoner caravans returning to the Temple Lands I begin to wonder if they could become a source of troops to back Duchairn/Magwaire? Setup for the inevitable internal confrontation?

Then there's the whole Chisholmian rebellion. I've been waiting for Garvai to drop the hammer on them out of Corisande.

PeterZ wrote:
I'm with BrightSoul on this. If Sharley decides to pull the trigger while Gahrvai is still training with his troops, it would be perfect. Corisande gets to rub the aristos noses in it and they get to redeem themselves for letting Pahtryk Hynrai try to kill her and that assassin to try and kill her "son". The Chisholm aristos get the same people that killed Sharley's father and gave them their best opportunity to undo King Sailys' reforms provide the coupe de grace on their aspirations to being anything other than a group of hereditary elitists.

I sure hope RFC takes BrightSoul's suggestion. As for whatever concerns might exist about "foreign" troops quelling an uprising.....well, they are all Chrisians now whatever subject state they also belong to. Nothing will hammer that fact more than having Corisandian-Charisians put down an attempted rebellion by Chisholman-Charisians.

Disagree. A Corisandian invasion of Chisholm would be a political disaster for the Empire regardless of the particulars--and you can bet your last Charisian mark that is how it would be perceived in Chisholm--especially after what happened to King Sailys.

Nope. If the crown is worried that their man on the spot can't handle the situation, it would be far wiser to send newly trained Corisandians to the front along with Gahrvai and rotate back home someone like Sympkyn or High Mount with a few brigades of ICA veterans to deal with it. They are probably ready for rest and refit anyway.

Don

n7axw wrote:
Disagree. A Corisandian invasion of Chisholm would be a political disaster for the Empire regardless of the particulars--and you can bet your last Charisian mark that is how it would be perceived in Chisholm--especially after what happened to King Sailys.

Nope. If the crown is worried that their man on the spot can't handle the situation, it would be far wiser to send newly trained Corisandians to the front along with Gahrvai and rotate back home someone like Sympkyn or High Mount with a few brigades of ICA veterans to deal with it. They are probably ready for rest and refit anyway.

Don

No invasion, Don. ICA troops training in Chisholm come to the rescue. Not an invasion at all, since everyone is a Charisian.

PeterZ wrote:

n7axw wrote:
Disagree. A Corisandian invasion of Chisholm would be a political disaster for the Empire regardless of the particulars--and you can bet your last Charisian mark that is how it would be perceived in Chisholm--especially after what happened to King Sailys.

Nope. If the crown is worried that their man on the spot can't handle the situation, it would be far wiser to send newly trained Corisandians to the front along with Gahrvai and rotate back home someone like Sympkyn or High Mount with a few brigades of ICA veterans to deal with it. They are probably ready for rest and refit anyway.

Don

No invasion, Don. ICA troops training in Chisholm come to the rescue. Not an invasion at all, since everyone is a Charisian.

In theory yes. In the eyes of people still not entirely comfortable with being Charisians, not necessarily, in people still opposed to the whole idea of the Empire, definitely could be looked at as foreign invasion.

Ramhawkfan wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
No invasion, Don. ICA troops training in Chisholm come to the rescue. Not an invasion at all, since everyone is a Charisian.

In theory yes. In the eyes of people still not entirely comfortable with being Charisians, not necessarily, in people still opposed to the whole idea of the Empire, definitely could be looked at as foreign invasion.

I get that. However, think about the participants.

From the Chisholmian citizenry's perspective Corisandians will be saving their beloved House of Tayte from the despised aristocritters. Those soldiers were training along with fellow Chisholmian recruits and a few Zehbediahn hicks and ALL of them came to rescue the Royal House from those Clyntahn loving traitors. Those recruits will have been in country spending their wages for some time.

The troops will be wearing ICA uniforms and the noble traitors' goons will be wearing whatever they can find. The citizenry will have that comforting symbol to hang on to. When push comes to shove, the uniformed men of the ICA will defend the nation once more.

So, again, what invasion?

PeterZ wrote:

Ramhawkfan wrote:[quote="PeterZ

In theory yes. In the eyes of people still not entirely comfortable with being Charisians, not necessarily, in people still opposed to the whole idea of the Empire, definitely could be looked at as foreign invasion.

I get that. However, think about the participants.

From the Chisholmian citizenry's perception, Corisandians will be saving the House of Tayte from the hated aristocritters. They were training along with fellow Chisholmian recruits and a few Zehbediahn hicks and ALL of them came to rescue the Royal House from those Clyntahn loving traitors. Those recruits will have been in country spending their wages for some time.

The troops will be wearing ICA uniforms and the noble traitors' goons will be wearing whatever they can find. The citizenry will have that comforting symbol to hang on to. When push comes to shove, the uniformed men of the ICA will defend the nation once more.

So, again, what invasion?

I'm don't think you're wrong, especially with the general populace. But people being people, you're going to get a certain percentage that are going to look at it suspiciously, and it might be better to avoid the problem by bringing back some Chisholmian troops. Then again it might not matter. It just depends on how RFC wants to write. I'm ok either way. I was just supporting Dons point, because I could see that side of it also.

Ramhawkfan wrote:

PeterZ wrote:
I get that. However, think about the participants.

From the Chisholmian citizenry's perception, Corisandians will be saving the House of Tayte from the hated aristocritters. They were training along with fellow Chisholmian recruits and a few Zehbediahn hicks and ALL of them came to rescue the Royal House from those Clyntahn loving traitors. Those recruits will have been in country spending their wages for some time.

The troops will be wearing ICA uniforms and the noble traitors' goons will be wearing whatever they can find. The citizenry will have that comforting symbol to hang on to. When push comes to shove, the uniformed men of the ICA will defend the nation once more.

So, again, what invasion?

I'm don't think you're wrong, especially with the general populace. But people being people, you're going to get a certain percentage that are going to look at it suspiciously, and it might be better to avoid the problem by bringing back some Chisholmian troops. Then again it might not matter. It just depends on how RFC wants to write. I'm ok either way. I was just supporting Dons point, because I could see that side of it also.

You might be right. I just think that even though there WILL be problems here and there, the overwhelming response after the treasonous aristos have been put down is...We really ARE all Charisians!

PeterZ wrote:

Ramhawkfan wrote:
I'm don't think you're wrong, especially with the general populace. But people being people, you're going to get a certain percentage that are going to look at it suspiciously, and it might be better to avoid the problem by bringing back some Chisholmian troops. Then again it might not matter. It just depends on how RFC wants to write. I'm ok either way. I was just supporting Dons point, because I could see that side of it also.

You might be right. I just think that even though there WILL be problems here and there, the overwhelming response after the treasonous aristos have been put down is...We really ARE all Charisians!

In a real world situation, I would be a little more worried. But this is fiction, and RFC' s tendencies to throw curveballs notwithstanding, we know the general direction this story is going, so I'm sure it will work out one or the other. I don't see how losing Chisholm would advance the story. Now if it was Goodkind, or RR Martin....it would be anybody's guess

BrightSoul wrote:I'm a little surprised no one has mentioned this but did any one else notice all the textev dropped on how thoroughly the inquisition has control of all armed troops near Zion?

When I see the prisoner caravans returning to the Temple Lands I begin to wonder if they could become a source of troops to back Duchairn/Magwaire? Setup for the inevitable internal confrontation?

Then there's the whole Chisholmian rebellion. I've been waiting for Garvai to drop the hammer on them out of Corisande.

I'd expect the troops guarding the prisoner columns will be used to guard them in the new camps. They'd be no help to Magwair and Duchairn cuz they're too far from Zion

What Chisholmian rebellion!?!? Are you referring to the baddies on whom Sharley's keeping an eye? Owl and Nahrmann have those dudes covered.