Clyntahn's most disturbing comment to date (SPOILER)

LadyWhirlwind wrote:Unless of course, Clyntahn has access to the bombardment platforms, but has no way to activate on his whim. What ever the Archangel were, they were determined to assure mankinds survival. They would have made sure, that no one could accidently wipe out mankind with those bombardment platforms. If they left the church a way to activate it, they would have stipulated strong rules on their use. Probably protected by an AI that actually verifys if the usage is justified. Or it would actually require the Grand Vicar to confirm the activation. Not even Clynthahn is mad enough to try to use them, without having met the requirements. I'm quite sure that there is somewhere a rule that says: Anyone who tries to use them unjustified is going to die a very horrible death.

I can't help but think that if Clyntahn had that kind of access, he would have found a way to use it by now..what would he wait for....the barbarians at the gate?

Maybe it can only be used once, or maybe it has to be independently convinced that demons are loose in the world.

Did any Wylsynns who knew about the Key get brought in for interrogation during the purge?

Expert snuggler wrote:Maybe it can only be used once, or maybe it has to be independently convinced that demons are loose in the world.

Did any Wylsynns who knew about the Key get brought in for interrogation during the purge?

Howard killed Samuel, then was killed by the guard who's name I'm drawing a blank on. Paiter was in Charis, and the rest of the family was smuggled out. So no, he didn't hear about a key that way.. I still think he would have used anything he had access to, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

Ramhawkfan wrote:

Expert snuggler wrote:Maybe it can only be used once, or maybe it has to be independently convinced that demons are loose in the world.

Did any Wylsynns who knew about the Key get brought in for interrogation during the purge?

Howard killed Samuel, then was killed by the guard who's name I'm drawing a blank on. Paiter was in Charis, and the rest of the family was smuggled out. So no, he didn't hear about a key that way.. I still think he would have used anything he had access to, but it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.

I agree. If Clyntahn had any access to the OBS or any other TF super weaponry, Charis would be cinders by now. Restraint simply is not part of the man's MO.

Don

The Writ promises that if demons re-appear there will be a supernatural response.

Someone wrote that promise.

Whoever it was must have been an above-ground policy maker. Whatever he, she, or they had in mind, it wasn't a secret from the rest of the Archangels like the Key was.

Want some wild speculation? What if, it being a military asset, the anti-demon response is under the control of the commander of the Temple Guard? Does Magwair even believe in demons?

Well, i finally read this moment in the book, and for my opinion... there is probably nothing behind Clyntahn words. He is just desperate. The situation deteriorated so quickly, that even he is now unable to completely self-deceit himself as before. His Inquisition clearly weakened; he is barely able to hold on, and even in Zion he couldn't control the situation. Robhar and Alayn are clearly able to work around him, and what's more important - they aren't afraid of him anymore. And personally, almost everything Clyntahn doing this far eventually went screwed.

So, it's quite possible that Clyntahn just threw desperate threats to make the impression of "still powerfull, still in the charge". I really doubt that he actually want to took control over Jihad. With his self-deceit ability shattered, he would clearly understood, that withouth Alayn and Dushrian he would have no one to put the blame on.

Is it possible this tirade was in fact intended to convince the other three members of the Group of Four that Clyntahn not only would throw them onto the pyre before he backed down, but in fact believed - without the shadow of a doubt - that he was in the right and would prevail ? And therefore would never back down, no matter what ? No secret technology, no special knowledge of a possible intervention by the Archangels, just equal part belief in his own destiny and ... bluff ?

Clyntahn has to be at least a little worried that the other three will at some point desert him...

Halancar wrote:Is it possible this tirade was in fact intended to convince the other three members of the Group of Four that Clyntahn not only would throw them onto the pyre before he backed down, but in fact believed - without the shadow of a doubt - that he was in the right and would prevail ? And therefore would never back down, no matter what ? No secret technology, no special knowledge of a possible intervention by the Archangels, just equal part belief in his own destiny and ... bluff ?

Clyntahn has to be at least a little worried that the other three will at some point desert him...

He is probably worried much about the unpleasant fact, that he actually needed others more than they need him. His worst nightmare, probably, is that would be actually forced to take all responsibilites of the war (as he threated).

Expert snuggler wrote:The Writ promises that if demons re-appear there will be a supernatural response.

Someone wrote that promise.

Whoever it was must have been an above-ground policy maker. Whatever he, she, or they had in mind, it wasn't a secret from the rest of the Archangels like the Key was.

Want some wild speculation? What if, it being a military asset, the anti-demon response is under the control of the commander of the Temple Guard? Does Magwair even believe in demons?

I do not remember the writ saying there would be a supernatural response if demons returned. may I ask where you got that,

I seem to remember it being in the text once or twice but that doesn't answer your question of "where?".