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Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...

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Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by evilauthor   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:31 am

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It's the (perhaps not so far) future from current Safehold events. Safehold has recovered/reinvented FTL travel and discovered habitable world nearby that looks ideal for colonization by humans.

Like many other worlds discovered and settled by the old Terran Federation, this new world has a totally alien biosphere that nevertheless is (mostly) compatible with Safeholdian and Terran biology. And parallel evolution has created many plant and animal species that look very similar to Safeholdian and Terran lifeforms.

One such species is a tree that bears an uncanny resemblance to a Safeholdian nearoak tree. What do colonists from Safehold call it?
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Keith_w   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:50 am

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evilauthor wrote:It's the (perhaps not so far) future from current Safehold events. Safehold has recovered/reinvented FTL travel and discovered habitable world nearby that looks ideal for colonization by humans.

Like many other worlds discovered and settled by the old Terran Federation, this new world has a totally alien biosphere that nevertheless is (mostly) compatible with Safeholdian and Terran biology. And parallel evolution has created many plant and animal species that look very similar to Safeholdian and Terran lifeforms.

One such species is a tree that bears an uncanny resemblance to a Safeholdian nearoak tree. What do colonists from Safehold call it?


the kinda-like-a-nearoak tree?
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Iorwerth   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:00 am

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A far-oak tree?
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Kakai   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:13 am

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Uhm... nearnearoak?

Iorwerth wrote:A far-oak tree?

Oh, I like this one :lol:
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by McGuiness   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:31 am

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Kakai wrote:Uhm... nearnearoak?
Iorwerth wrote:A far-oak tree?
Oh, I like this one :lol:
How about fauxnearoak?

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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Henry Brown   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:07 pm

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Notanearoak?
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Expert snuggler   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:18 pm

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Informally everyone would just call it a "nearoak", leaving their listeners the burden of figuring out which planet it was from.
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Dathi   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:04 pm

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evilauthor wrote:It's the (perhaps not so far) future from current Safehold events. Safehold has recovered/reinvented FTL travel and discovered habitable world nearby that looks ideal for colonization by humans.

Like many other worlds discovered and settled by the old Terran Federation, this new world has a totally alien biosphere that nevertheless is (mostly) compatible with Safeholdian and Terran biology. And parallel evolution has created many plant and animal species that look very similar to Safeholdian and Terran lifeforms.

One such species is a tree that bears an uncanny resemblance to a Safeholdian nearoak tree. What do colonists from Safehold call it?



One of the problems I have with the Safehold series is the naming. When colonists from Europe arrived in North America and Australia, say, they didn't call beasties and plants 'near' anything. They just mislabeled them.

So, any smallish bird with a red breast was a 'robin' even if the bird didn't otherwise look or act or have any relation to the European Robin.

Sure, they borrowed native names, which Safehold doesn't have the option of doing, but still...

Moreover, given the amount of linguistic shift there's been, even if something WERE named 'nearoak' that would quickly wear down to 'noak' or 'roak'. *Or... More likely still 'oak'!)


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Calling something a 'nearoak' suggests that the 'oak' is, in some sense, the 'original', and the 'nearoak' a variant.

When you look at all the entities that are 'near' or 'false', they are all clearly part of a group - and the various originals are part of another group. The fact that 'unconsecrated' land is solidly the first group is a really big clue that
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Loren Pechtel   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:08 pm

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Another problem--why do we have names like "nearoak" in the first place--that implies they came from another world with real oaks and thus breaks their myths.
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Re: Scenario: Safehold colonizes another planet...
Post by Kakai   » Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:31 pm

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Loren Pechtel wrote:Another problem--why do we have names like "nearoak" in the first place--that implies they came from another world with real oaks and thus breaks their myths.

I think it was mentioned before that the answer to this is: not necessarily.

Can't come with any example off the top of my head, but there are quite a few words that people don't realize are actually mashups of two others because they don't say them like they're mashups of two others. For all we know, Safeholdians may say "nearoak" not as "NearOak" but more like "knEE-rock", which would muddle up the origin of the word.

And besides, how would Safeholdian know that there is such thing as an "oak"? To give an example, here in my place we have word "nietoperz", meaning a bat (animal). "Nie" means "no", but there is no such thing as "toperz", so there's no-one suggesting that "nietoperz" comes from "not a toperz". It's probably the same on Safehold, anyone suggesting that "nearoak" comes from "near an oak" will be put down by his fellows pointing out that there's no such thing as an "oak".
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