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Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?

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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:29 pm

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To be contrary I'll suggest Trynair.

Everyone involved would prefer to replace him with their own man. The Group of Four seems to be the kind of organization with only one way to leave.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Henry Brown   » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:43 pm

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roseandheather wrote:If it is Duchairn, suffice it to say that, even from my current location, RFC will hear the screaming in South Carolina.

RHOBAIR MY DARLING I JUST WANT YOU SAFE AND OUT OF THIS MESS!!!


You seem to really get attached to characters. I hope for your sake that you don't read George RR Martin's series. ;) All his books are bloody and no character is safe.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by jgnfld   » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:30 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:To be contrary I'll suggest Trynair...


Yes. Trynair. That will leave an unstable triumvirate with the majority of votes on one side and the majority of power on the other.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:07 am

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Unstable, and with an immediate focus for the instability as they, um, deliberate on a replacement for Trynair.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Dauntless   » Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:40 am

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while i agree the discussions about trynair replacement would be loud and life threatening, i wonder if they would bother.

this isn't normal times when a polite note from the chancellor is viewed as an instruction you must obey like it was in OAR. as was mentioned a couple of times, in the current conditions he is excess weight as people do as clynthan says or they die. there IS no diplomacy for the Chancellor to do.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Kytheros   » Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:05 pm

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Spoilers, Spoilers, Spoilers







Trynair's turning into a non-entity, and thus entirely irrelevant and not worth killing to any of the others. Clyntahn won't kill Trynair because he doesn't need to - Trynair's already doing what Clyntahn wants with no sign of opposing him or even resisting. Magwair and Duchairn aren't going to kill Trynair - there's no point, and if they were going to kill someone, it would be Clyntahn.




Looks like Magwair's in trouble, though. Clyntahn still thinks of Duchairn as irreplaceable for the time being, at least until the Jihad is over, because nobody else knows how or can do Duchairn's job. On the other hand, Clyntahn has already tried to arrange for Magwair's removal and replacement, and thinks that there are a lot of people who could do Magwair's job, and better.

If Clyntahn makes it, Magwair probably doesn't, and Duchairn's left on shaky ground. I could see Magwair and Duchairn wanting to get rid of Clyntahn in both self defense and to reduce his meddling in the running of the Jihad.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Dauntless   » Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:27 am

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Spoilers.



yes magwair is out and dead as soon as clynthawn works out how to not have a repeat of second pasquale.

you can tell clynthan would like to remove duchain at the same time but is willing to let him slide for now as he is actually comptent and magwair isn't (in clynthan warped view)
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by evilauthor   » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:21 am

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McGuiness wrote:I believe the current figures are that the MHoG has 600,000 rifles, some of them the new St. Kylmahn models, the rest muzzle loaders. The remainder have bows, pikes, and even slings. Their numbers are approximately 1.6 million, and so a million of them are currently targeted for use as cannon fodder. That's not going to be popular with those million serfs if they figure it out!

Of course the Harchongese government doesn't want any of those serfs to come home, so turning them against the jihad would be extremely useful for the allies. How RFC would finagle such an outcome would be interesting reading...


Oh, that's simple. Not EASY, just simple. Don't fight the Harchong army directly. Or at least, not more than what's required to hold them in place in their current positions.

Then do an end run around them and assault and capture Zion from the sea. They won't be able to retake Zion because they're too far away and Charis now controls their source of supplies. War ends and most of all those HIGHLY TRAINED serf soldiers go home because there's no war for them to get killed in anymore.

How to assault Zion from the sea? Well the King Haraalds are supposed to lead the way and their completion has been delayed a few months... It's almost like God (aka Weber) doesn't want them to be used just yet, but does want them to be available next year when the Passage opens back up again.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:36 pm

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Icebreakers could provide a strategic surprise.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by WeberFan   » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:05 pm

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jgnfld wrote:
Expert snuggler wrote:To be contrary I'll suggest Trynair...


Yes. Trynair. That will leave an unstable triumvirate with the majority of votes on one side and the majority of power on the other.

SPOILER FOLLOWS...















Perhaps a triumvirate, but definitely an unequal one. From textev we know that the vase majority of the troops anywhere close to Zion are completely loyal to Clyntahn.
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