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Duchess of ?
Post by Gun Boat Diplomacy   » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:44 pm

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throughout the series you see duchess of this or duke of that, countess or count of this or that. what is honor's duchy called?
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by Somtaaw   » Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:50 pm

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AFAIK, it hasn't been given one yet. :?


The names all seem to be something from the really long-existing chunks of land. I don't think even the Earldom, which belonged to Honor and is currently under her cousin Devon has a name either.
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by BrightSoul   » Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:21 pm

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Earl Harrington has properties but not a physical Earldom... The Duchy is called Harrington. I believe that was in AoV
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by saber964   » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:14 pm

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There is no name beyond Harrington for both the Earldom and Duchy. The current peer for the Earldom is Countess Sarah Harrington (daughter of Devon and Honors cousin) with lands in the Unicorn Asteroid belt. The names of a person's peerage probably evolved or was assumed by the peer sometime later. Take the peerage of New Texas and New Dallas a good bet is that the Webster family came from Texas originally. I would not be surprised that the Duke of New Texas has the name of William Travis or David Crockett Webster.
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by Gun Boat Diplomacy   » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:15 pm

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Duchess of Harrington? It doesn't seem right. I think that the duchy in gryphon needs to be named and then she would be the duchess of .....
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by munroburton   » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:37 am

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Gun Boat Diplomacy wrote:Duchess of Harrington? It doesn't seem right. I think that the duchy in gryphon needs to be named and then she would be the duchess of .....


The duchy was made out of brand new territory carved out of the Westmount Crown Reserve. It didn't have a name beforehand. Remember the new title and lands were going to be a surprise for Honor from Elizabeth, so they couldn't exactly call it the Duchy of High Snow, Burning Lizard or whatever, unless it was a preexisting name.

There are loads of real world noble titles sharing the same name. The Duke of Wellington was also the Marquess of Wellington and Viscount Wellington. Marquess Salisbury is also Earl Salisbury.

It may sound slightly strange in the Manticoran atmosphere with titles like White Haven, High Ridge, New Texas and so on. But it is acceptable practice to name a title after a person's name if that is preferred.

Think of all the jobs created for protocolists by such confusing quirks and foibles. No wonder they still have shouting heralds at parties on Manticore. ;)
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by niethil   » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:48 am

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The matter got stuck in some bureaucrat's office or the bowels of Parliament. Since everyone is already used to Honor being Steadholder Harrington, nobody notices the name hasn't been set already, except protocol specialists who complain but to whom it is politely (or not) explained that Parliament has more pressing matters to tend to than naming duchies.
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by Jonathan_S   » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:44 am

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niethil wrote:The matter got stuck in some bureaucrat's office or the bowels of Parliament. Since everyone is already used to Honor being Steadholder Harrington, nobody notices the name hasn't been set already, except protocol specialists who complain but to whom it is politely (or not) explained that Parliament has more pressing matters to tend to than naming duchies.

The Duchy seems to be named; it's the Duchy of Harrington. That may not be the most exciting name, but there it is.
Ashes of Victory: Ch 20 wrote:For the foreseeable future, the Duchy of Harrington is basically just a big, unpopulated swatch of mountains and trees.

War of Honor: Ch 6 wrote:Richard Maxwell, Honor's personal Manticoran attorney and acting solicitor general for the Duchy of Harrington
Those don't sound like unofficial shorthand for "Duchess Harrington's yet-to-be-named duchy"
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by Somtaaw   » Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:59 am

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niethil wrote:nobody notices the name hasn't been set already, except protocol specialists who complain but to whom it is politely (or not) explained that Parliament has more pressing matters to tend to than naming duchies.


And those who do notice, tend to slap some sense into the complaining protocol specialists, that a Steading considerably outranks a mere duchy.

What is it again, there's only three people, outside of Elizabeth herself, that any Steadholder is considered on par with, for protocol rank. And that'd be the Grand Duke/Duchess of Manticore, Sphinx and Gryphon... and presumably the Grand Duke of San Martin (whenever they get around to making 'proper' nobility there).

Steading also being a complete sovereign ruler in addition... nope, can't really see any protocol specialists complaints gaining any traction. And since the title is hereditary (along with the Steading), and both titles will just about always follow to the same person... :lol:
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Re: Duchess of ?
Post by saber964   » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:17 pm

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IMHO the geographical name of some of the peerages were named by the first owners before they became peerage titles because that's what they named their land holdings or they could have named them after terrain features. Look at some of the estates in the US currently like Hearst San Simeon, Washington Mount Vernon, Jefferson Monticello, T Roosevelt Saginaw Hill.
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