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by Expert snuggler » Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:10 pm | |
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They'd better have exercised it. A procedure that a unit has never drilled on is at best slightly better than improvising.
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by SWM » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:13 pm | |
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But that's exactly what I mean. I believe that the biggest problem of getting into the Temple is getting the troops there in the first place. --------------------------------------------
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by JeffEngel » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:09 pm | |
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You know - an exercise for the Temple Guard to actually guard the Temple like that would provide excellent cover for a coup against the Inquisition. The Guard would be securing the Temple and controlling critical parts of the inside, armed and organized. A threat to Zion would provide both the pretext to bring plenty of Guardsmen back to the area and to practice ancient procedures for defending the core of the Church. If Duchairn and Magwair are willing to make that move, the Allies may not have to do more than land in force nearby to set it up. |
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by noblehunter » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:23 pm | |
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The Temple from proto-Safehold in Heirs of Empire was taken by straightforward invasion and then secured by co-opting the tech. Could Schuler's Key enable the co-opting trick? This part of the series could end with a last stand set-piece as a change of pace from all of the epic slaughter.
I'm more inclined to think the Temple will fall offscreen when Zion is capture or, more likely, access will be negotiated before assaulting Zion is necessary. Zion seems indefensible if the Temple Lands fall and COGA's situation will be untenable once the Harchong force is taken out. A negotiated peace would let RFC spend more time on revealing what's beneath the temple and setting up the next set of books. |
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by Randomiser » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:25 pm | |
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That depends on how lovingly he describes the negotiations. I think it would be just so anticlimactic, and not at all like RFC, for all that to happen off screen. |
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by Expert snuggler » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:41 pm | |
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How could the Go4 explain negotiating a peace after declaring that God required victory?
Merlin has said flatly that his goal is the complete destruction of the CoGA. He won't be happy with a negotiated settlement. He could sabotage one easily. She Of Many Names wants revenge rather than a cease fire. She is not someone you would want to turn against you if you made a separate peace with the CoGA. Cayleb's youthful enthusiasm and Nahrmann's cynicism would both recoil from a negotiated peace. Macchiavelli said to crush opponents completely or make friends with them, but that nothing in between was safe or stable. Nahrmann figured out most of _The Prince_ on his own, likely including that part. Maybe in fifty years with different leadership on both sides the humans could arrange something short of unconditional surrender. Then they'd have to persuade Merlin. |
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by noblehunter » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:49 am | |
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It wouldn't be with the Go4, obviously. They'd have to be deposed first. Merlin would recognize that he can't destroy the CoGA in a single war. The rest would recognize the advantages in not marching on Zion or be appeased with Nuremberg-style trials. I think it's critical that the war be ended as soon as it's possible to enforce a favourable peace on the CoGA. It would not do for religious war to become a habit. Destroying CoGA is better done at peace than at war. |
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by Louis R » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:19 am | |
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Merlin doesn't expect any war to destroy the CoGA - it has never destroyed any church in the past, after all. [at most, warfare has driven the losers underground, where, very rarely, they have withered and died] S/he simply acknowledges that war will be an inescapable element of the process.
By the same token, whatever Aivah may have wanted when she... was younger, she's not looking for revenge now. Other, at least, than the somewhat vicarious revenge of overturning all Langhorn's hopes and plans. Frankly, I doubt that she ever wanted revenge per se. She was a Reformer; she wanted situations like hers to stop happening. Now, she's lined up right beside the rest of the Inner Circle.
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by C. O. Thompson » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:42 am | |
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Getting into the room below the temple is not a job for an army, it is the work of special forces. Whatever is down there represents a potential resource that should not be destroyed if it can be compromised. So the question is... were the builders so paranoid that they would drop a rock on it if someone entered the wrong password? If the likelihood is too great then the platform has to be neutralized. EMP or maybe a handful of commandos set to drift to it and attempt to gain access and control or, failing that... place the EMP bombs and drift away to be recovered before the thing short circuits. Just my 2 ₵ Just my 2 ₡ worth
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by shaeun » Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:14 pm | |
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Getting into the room below the temple is not a job for an army, it is the work of special forces.
Whatever is down there represents a potential resource that should not be destroyed if it can be compromised. So the question is... were the builders so paranoid that they would drop a rock on it if someone entered the wrong password? If the likelihood is too great then the platform has to be neutralized. EMP or maybe a handful of commandos set to drift to it and attempt to gain access and control or, failing that... place the EMP bombs and drift away to be recovered before the thing short circuits. Just my 2 ₵[/quote] Actually, it would be the job of a specially trained infiltration team which in the current era(modern earth) would be best filled by some soft of specialized operational force. the EoC has very few missions of this sort and would spin up a force for this 'to order' based on the efficiency hit that would be taken by not being able to transport the force as a Rapid Response Unit. This is shown by how they rescued Irys and Daviyn from the Go4. However, my analysis of the situation is that the best way to handle this long term is to 'let the genie out of the bottle' so to speak and force the Go4 to go so far down the technology path that there is no way to bring invention and innovation back under control. There is a risk that is posed by the return - however it is not known who or what it returning. For all we know it could be Kody... |
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