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Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold

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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by evilauthor   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:16 am

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hanuman wrote:Rose, don't pay attention. Maikel's been widowed these past ten years and more.


He also has children and grandchildren. Although I don't think any of them have ever appeared "on screen" as it were.
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by isaac_newton   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:45 am

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evilauthor wrote:
hanuman wrote:Rose, don't pay attention. Maikel's been widowed these past ten years and more.


He also has children and grandchildren. Although I don't think any of them have ever appeared "on screen" as it were.


Hi Rose

Nice to see you here.

He also has a cat-lizard - not sure if that is 'a good thing' to you or a source of deep misery and reprobation :-)
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by Randomiser   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:30 am

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Henry Brown wrote:I didn't think it was *THAT* bad. At least not once LAMA actually came out and we could find out what happened. To me the worst part was the snippeting phase of LAMA. Cause RFC posted a cliff-hanger snippet about Hector. And then refused to elaborate any further. We had to wait months to find out his fate... :(


Henry, I deliberately didn't mention that snippet because it contains a big spoiler if Rose is only halfway through MTaT.

I also deliberately left outcomes as open as possible. :twisted:
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by hanuman   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:21 am

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isaac_newton wrote:
Hi Rose

Nice to see you here.

He also has a cat-lizard - not sure if that is 'a good thing' to you or a source of deep misery and reprobation :-)


RFC seems to have a thing for cats and how they regard humans as the perfect accessories...
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by roseandheather   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:32 am

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hanuman wrote:
isaac_newton wrote:
Hi Rose

Nice to see you here.

He also has a cat-lizard - not sure if that is 'a good thing' to you or a source of deep misery and reprobation :-)


RFC seems to have a thing for cats and how they regard humans as the perfect accessories...


RFC has an excellent grasp of the realities of the cat-human relationship.

(Also I want a cat-lizard please and thank you.)
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by CRC   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:05 am

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Midst Toil and Tribulation is the most trying of the series and a real tissue enabler.

LAMA is much more positive and HFQ looks even more uplifting.
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by garfield   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:22 am

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roseandheather wrote:
hanuman wrote:RFC seems to have a thing for cats and how they regard humans as the perfect accessories...


RFC has an excellent grasp of the realities of the cat-human relationship.

(Also I want a cat-lizard please and thank you.)

He does indeed :)

Rose, if you haven't already found it, when you have finished the series you might want to look for 'How the safehold series won't end' in 'Pearls of Weber'. It is a great read.
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by isaac_newton   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:57 am

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roseandheather wrote:SNIP

RFC has an excellent grasp of the realities of the cat-human relationship.

(Also I want a cat-lizard please and thank you.)


We had a maine coon [red tabby] for 17years, and I can attest to the truth of that!! :-)
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by Direwolf18   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:54 pm

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I was wondering when Rose would finaly read this.

Yes there are a ton of parallels between Theismen and Thrisk, although Thrisk has more then a bit to do to ever truly live up to that comparison. There is blood on his hands, the kind of which Charis is only willing to accept one form of payment. Theismen was very proactive about bringing down the evil he was surrounded with and making the galaxy a better place, Thrisk is very much making sure it isn't his family that is the Inquisition's next target.


All alluding to spoilers aside, if you think you love Iris now, don't go anywhere, she gets even more awesome.
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Re: Thoughts from a Newbie: Rose Reads Safehold
Post by JeffEngel   » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:08 pm

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Direwolf18 wrote:I was wondering when Rose would finaly read this.

Yes there are a ton of parallels between Theismen and Thrisk, although Thrisk has more then a bit to do to ever truly live up to that comparison. There is blood on his hands, the kind of which Charis is only willing to accept one form of payment. Theismen was very proactive about bringing down the evil he was surrounded with and making the galaxy a better place, Thrisk is very much making sure it isn't his family that is the Inquisition's next target.

Theisman was very lucky, and knew it, that he had no family under the CPS - which didn't have or try to have as much control over what Havenites thought was right or wrong as the Church of God Awaiting on Safehold has. Whatever comparisons we want to make between them have to start with Thirsk being in worse shoes that way.

Heck, StateSec didn't treat people as badly as the COGA's inquisition does. Both Thirsk and Theisman had their POW's - taken under the assumption or hope of honorable treatment - taken out of their hands by fanatic brutes. Neither of them were in any effective position to stop it - and, for that matter, Thirsk managed to treat them as well as possible for as long as possible within his ability longer than Theisman was able to, while doing so at the risk of not just death but much worse treatment of himself and his family than Theisman would have suffered.

I can't come down on either of them for not meeting their own responsibilities to prisoners, when they could not do so. Thirsk is and Theisman was in the bind of loyalty to a country in the hands of monsters, without having - yet - the means either to kick the monsters out or even serve that country solely within the bounds of pristine honor.
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