Charisian Imperial Parliament

lyonheart wrote:Hi Hanuman,

I'm curious to know the basis for your figure that the EoC [empire of Charis] has 20% of Safehold's population, if you can cite them.

That was also my impression, but RFC has since provided quite different and more detailed figures in a post entitled "Raw Meat for the Speculators" almost 3 and a half years ago on April 15, 2012; about three monthes before MTaT.

There's quite a bit of information on four subject areas, that you should read on your own, all very useful among many other RFC posts that illuminate the series' background.

Somebody should come up with a recommended searchable list of RFC's posts for Safehold, to help newbies.

Kinda like the FAQ.

Although a list within FAQ in a recommended reading order tied to the respective books might be helpful for the forum administrators to consider making in their copious free time.

Contrary to the previous textev in the first four books, Chisholm and Corisande both have populations of 15 million, while Charis has only 14, Tarot 11, Emerald 9 and Zebediah 8, for a combined 72 million out of a total Safehold population of just over a billion, with the RoS [Republic of Siddarmark] having a population of 129.5 million, which combined mean the allies might have 20% of Safehold's population if all of the RoS's were firmly opposed to to the Go4, which they certainly aren't by a darn sight, so the allies might more realistically be in the 16-18% range, if that helps emphasize the straits our heroes find themselves in.

Please enjoy HFaF, MTaT, LaMA, in the now less
than 5 weeks to HFQ.

I envy you.

But then you'll be desperately waiting for your next fix just like the rest of us.

L

hanuman wrote:
I figured according to something I read in OAR, that Haven and Howard between them contained 80% of Safehold's population. Since Imperial Charis now includes virtually every non-mainland realm (with the exception of marginal areas such as Ravensland and Trellheim), it seemed like a reasonable assumption that the vast majority of the remaining 20% are now Charisian subjects.

n7axw wrote:

hanuman wrote:
I figured according to something I read in OAR, that Haven and Howard between them contained 80% of Safehold's population. Since Imperial Charis now includes virtually every non-mainland realm (with the exception of marginal areas such as Ravensland and Trellheim), it seemed like a reasonable assumption that the vast majority of the remaining 20% are now Charisian subjects.

Well, the population of Safehold is roughly 1 billion.

For the EOC to have 20%, its population would have to be 200 million. The tally from the "red meat for the speculators post" by RFC is 72 million.

So...it would seem we have a bit of a discrepancy here...

Don

McGuiness wrote:And yes, the pre-SOS allied populations were just over 200 million, or 20% of the population of Safehold. Millions have died in Siddarmark, although not nearly as many as we think - RFC isn't saying how many but it isn't the tens of millions we feared it was after the first winter. A large percentage of the population in the occupied and rebellious provinces are TLs who will likely head west to the Border States with the all those lovely refugees of Mother Church who don't want to be around when BGV and his allied Siddarmarkan brigades arrive.

The northwestern provinces of Tarikah, Westmarch, and even Icewind (whose reformist inhabitants were evacuated by the ICN) may be largely uninhabited when the war ends. Tens of thousands of reformists will have died in the concentration camps and while slaving to rebuild the canals. (Good luck convincing Siddarmarkan troops to take prisoners after they encounter their first concentration camp!)

n7axw wrote:I wonder how many TLs who refugee out of places like Mithold, Shiloh and West March will be back when it's all over. I can visualise a lot of them resettling in more hospitable places rather than coming back to face the music in Siddarmark.

Don

n7axw wrote:I wonder how many TLs who refugee out of places like Mithold, Shiloh and West March will be back when it's all over. I can visualise a lot of them resettling in more hospitable places rather than coming back to face the music in Siddarmark.

Don

JeffEngel wrote:

n7axw wrote:I wonder how many TLs who refugee out of places like Mithold, Shiloh and West March will be back when it's all over. I can visualise a lot of them resettling in more hospitable places rather than coming back to face the music in Siddarmark.

Don

Yeah. I hope they do: it's bad enough to have that much bad blood with people across a border - it's much, much worse when they are next door. Likewise, Reformists in western Siddarmark at least and quite possibly Border States and northern Desnair may be well advised to move east or north.

Alternatively, Charis is meant by the Ahrmahks to be a safe haven. It'd be ironic and even heartwarming if it became that for Siddarmark's Temple Loyalists after this war. (Providing, of course and always, that they're civil Temple Loyalists, not Rakurai-to-be.)

n7axw wrote:
Perhaps the EOC could annex Armaggedon Reef... They'd be safe there. Who knows, they might even get used to it!

Don

Isilith wrote:

n7axw wrote:
Perhaps the EOC could annex Armaggedon Reef... They'd be safe there. Who knows, they might even get used to it!

Don

I am already on record as saying that Armageddon Reef is well within the sphere of Charis, and should be annexed and settled as soon as possible.