Real heresy on Safehold?

elaineofshalott wrote:If I recall correctly because "heretics" property was seized the Spanish Inquisition actually turned a profit. If Chihiro and/or Schueler carried that over with all of the other historical practices then considering how corrupt the Church on Safehold is I imagine that would provide enough motive for the inquisition to find something to consider heresy.

I could really, really hope that Chihiro was not stupid enough to fund the inquisition that way. There is a reason that police departments and militaries are funded by taxes and not plunder. The inquisition has a far better chance of enforcing 'just' church law if they are not tempted to murder people for their money. I think Chihiro would have preferred that the Order of Schueler be a collection of holy warrior monks: fanatics, not mobsters.

Tararoys wrote:I could really, really hope that Chihiro was not stupid enough to fund the inquisition that way.

After a thousand years, I doubt that much of Chihiro's Inquisition still remains. If any of it did, a totally amoral tyrant like Clyntahn wouldn't be in charge of it.

Tararoys wrote:I could really, really hope that Chihiro was not stupid enough to fund the inquisition that way. There is a reason that police departments and militaries are funded by taxes and not plunder. The inquisition has a far better chance of enforcing 'just' church law if they are not tempted to murder people for their money. I think Chihiro would have preferred that the Order of Schueler be a collection of holy warrior monks: fanatics, not mobsters.

Likely not. Weber in one of his our of story notes described that the Inquisition was originally split between three (often competing orders) and it was only a post-Angel "reform" that gave the Inquisition entirely to the Order of Schueler.

This suggests that the Archangels well understood the concept of Checks and Balances and the dangers of unrestrained autocracy in an organization like the Inquisition. But they never explained WHY they set up the Inquisition in such a way as to make gridlock inevitable, hence the reform that put everything into the Order of Schueler's hands.

And that's pretty much the entire CoGA's problem in a nutshell. They stopped following "inconvenient" rules laid down by the Archangels because they didn't understand the dangers of doing so. And because the quite a few Archangels broke said rules themselves.

Even if they don't get money from the victims of the inquisition the individual inquisitors definitely get money from finding "heresy."

I was listening to By Schism Rent Asunder today and noticed this quote from Staynair

“Offices, decisions, pardons, writs of approval and attestation, as well as writs of condemnation and anathematization, are sold and bartered for...

Weber, David (2008-07-22). By Schism Rent Asunder (Safehold) (p. 31). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.

So there is a definite financial motive for corrupt inquisitors to decide that something crosses the line into heresy.