Charisian Imperial Parliament

Please keep in mind that as of the end of 'Mighty Fortress', which is as far as I've read the series, Tarot still hasn't become part of the Empire. From the snippets I know that it happened eventually, but I do not know the particulars, except that Tarot's assimilation wouldn't be on the same level as Old Charis' and Chisholm's.

That being said, will Tarot, Emerald, Zebediah and Corisande be granted representation in the Imperial Parliament? I think they should, because it will ensure that the people of those realms will start thinking of themselves as (imperial) Charisians. But what should such representation look like? And for that matter, how are the current Commons of the (royal) Charisian and Chisholmian Parliaments elected. District by district?

hanuman wrote:Please keep in mind that as of the end of 'Mighty Fortress', which is as far as I've read the series, Tarot still hasn't become part of the Empire. From the snippets I know that it happened eventually, but I do not know the particulars, except that Tarot's assimilation wouldn't be on the same level as Old Charis' and Chisholm's.

That being said, will Tarot, Emerald, Zebediah and Corisande be granted representation in the Imperial Parliament? I think they should, because it will ensure that the people of those realms will start thinking of themselves as (imperial) Charisians. But what should such representation look like? And for that matter, how are the current Commons of the (royal) Charisian and Chisholmian Parliaments elected. District by district?

I think they should too. (Spoiler for you):





I believe the eventual terms for Corisande's normalization of relations within the Empire features Parliamentary representation for them (would be in MT&T), but I do not recall by that point mention of representation there for Emerald, Tarot, or Zebediah, or of the possibility of any of the smaller components as represented within the portions for Charis, Chisholm, or Corisande. And no, that does not seem fair. Maybe down the road all six components (to date) would get representation based on population.

From Midst Toil and Tribulation


“There is an alternative to occupation and foreign control, however,” Sharleyan said, almost as if she’d read Irys’ mind. “That alternative is the same one Cayleb and I offered to Nahrmahn of Emerald and Gorjah of Tarot. Membership in the Empire of Charis—not as an occupied territory, but as an integral unit, with internal autonomy under the constitution which governs the existing Empire. With representation in the Imperial Parliament. With Daivyn on the throne of Corisande as his father’s heir, sustained and supported by the Imperial Charisian Navy and the Imperial Charisian Army. With Corisandian troops and seamen raised, trained, armed, and integrated into the imperial military at all levels. With full Corisandian participation in imperial markets, trading routes, and banking houses—with full access to Charisian manufactories and innovations. The full integration of the Corisandian Church into the Church of Charis. And with Daivyn as the third-ranking noble of the Charisian Empire after the heir to the throne herself, second only to Nahrmahn Gareyt of Emerald and Gorjah of Tarot.”

End Quote

See the bolded text above.

While David Weber hasn't given us much information about the Imperial Parliament, the bolded text says to me that all member "states" of the Empire will be represented in the Imperial Parliament.

I think that the proper assumption is that all of the territories of the Empire have representation in the Imperial Parliament with the exception of Corisande which will soon have sinse the final steps to full incorporation are in the process of being taken at the end of LAMA.

As a PS, Tarot was also undergoing that same process, just a few steps ahead of Corisande in HFAF.

Chisholm and Charis, hoever, as the senior members of the Empire will contine to have the two capitols as a consequence of the marriage agteement between Cayleb and Sharleyan.

Don

n7axw wrote:Chisholm and Charis, hoever, as the senior members of the Empire will contine to have the two capitols as a consequence of the marriage agteement between Cayleb and Sharleyan.

Don

Fortunately the twice annual trip between the two capitals is going to be cut to about two five-days both ways once the Emperor and Empress begin to travel aboard a Haarahld VII. I suspect Alahnah will appreciate the shorter (and less bouncy) trip as well.

McGuiness wrote:

n7axw wrote:Chisholm and Charis, hoever, as the senior members of the Empire will contine to have the two capitols as a consequence of the marriage agteement between Cayleb and Sharleyan.

Don

Fortunately the twice annual trip between the two capitals is going to be cut to about two five-days both ways once the Emperor and Empress begin to travel aboard a Haarahld VII. I suspect Alahnah will appreciate the shorter (and less bouncy) trip as well.

I hadn't thought of that... There certainly isn't going to be anyone challenging the imperial couple's passage on one of those things, is there...

Don

DrakBibliophile wrote:From Midst Toil and Tribulation


“There is an alternative to occupation and foreign control, however,” Sharleyan said, almost as if she’d read Irys’ mind. “That alternative is the same one Cayleb and I offered to Nahrmahn of Emerald and Gorjah of Tarot. Membership in the Empire of Charis—not as an occupied territory, but as an integral unit, with internal autonomy under the constitution which governs the existing Empire. With representation in the Imperial Parliament. With Daivyn on the throne of Corisande as his father’s heir, sustained and supported by the Imperial Charisian Navy and the Imperial Charisian Army. With Corisandian troops and seamen raised, trained, armed, and integrated into the imperial military at all levels. With full Corisandian participation in imperial markets, trading routes, and banking houses—with full access to Charisian manufactories and innovations. The full integration of the Corisandian Church into the Church of Charis. And with Daivyn as the third-ranking noble of the Charisian Empire after the heir to the throne herself, second only to Nahrmahn Gareyt of Emerald and Gorjah of Tarot.”

End Quote

See the bolded text above.

While David Weber hasn't given us much information about the Imperial Parliament, the bolded text says to me that all member "states" of the Empire will be represented in the Imperial Parliament.

So something similar to the Act of Union then. A wise move, to my way of thinking. It will give the smaller princedoms a sense of belonging and will promote the emergence of a true national identity among all imperial subunits and the vast majority of citizens.

As a by-the-way, with Corisande's integration, Imperial Charis' population will now constitute nearly 20% of the global population...the deficit is definitely shrinking.

Hi Hanuman,

I'm curious to know the basis for your figure that the EoC [empire of Charis] has 20% of Safehold's population, if you can cite them.

That was also my impression, but RFC has since provided quite different and more detailed figures in a post entitled "Raw Meat for the Speculators" almost 3 and a half years ago on April 15, 2012; about three monthes before MTaT.

There's quite a bit of information on four subject areas, that you should read on your own, all very useful among many other RFC posts that illuminate the series' background.

Somebody should come up with a recommended searchable list of RFC's posts for Safehold, to help newbies.

Kinda like the FAQ.

Although a list within FAQ in a recommended reading order tied to the respective books might be helpful for the forum administrators to consider making in their copious free time.

Contrary to the previous textev in the first four books, Chisholm and Corisande both have populations of 15 million, while Charis has only 14, Tarot 11, Emerald 9 and Zebediah 8, for a combined 72 million out of a total Safehold population of just over a billion, with the RoS [Republic of Siddarmark] having a population of 129.5 million, which combined mean the allies might have 20% of Safehold's population if all of the RoS's were firmly opposed to to the Go4, which they certainly aren't by a darn sight, so the allies might more realistically be in the 16-18% range, if that helps emphasize the straits our heroes find themselves in.

Please enjoy HFaF, MTaT, LaMA, in the now less
than 5 weeks to HFQ.

I envy you.

But then you'll be desperately waiting for your next fix just like the rest of us.

L

hanuman wrote:

DrakBibliophile wrote:From Midst Toil and Tribulation


“There is an alternative to occupation and foreign control, however,” Sharleyan said, almost as if she’d read Irys’ mind. “That alternative is the same one Cayleb and I offered to Nahrmahn of Emerald and Gorjah of Tarot. Membership in the Empire of Charis—not as an occupied territory, but as an integral unit, with internal autonomy under the constitution which governs the existing Empire. With representation in the Imperial Parliament. With Daivyn on the throne of Corisande as his father’s heir, sustained and supported by the Imperial Charisian Navy and the Imperial Charisian Army. With Corisandian troops and seamen raised, trained, armed, and integrated into the imperial military at all levels. With full Corisandian participation in imperial markets, trading routes, and banking houses—with full access to Charisian manufactories and innovations. The full integration of the Corisandian Church into the Church of Charis. And with Daivyn as the third-ranking noble of the Charisian Empire after the heir to the throne herself, second only to Nahrmahn Gareyt of Emerald and Gorjah of Tarot.”

End Quote

See the bolded text above.

While David Weber hasn't given us much information about the Imperial Parliament, the bolded text says to me that all member "states" of the Empire will be represented in the Imperial Parliament.

So something similar to the Act of Union then. A wise move, to my way of thinking. It will give the smaller princedoms a sense of belonging and will promote the emergence of a true national identity among all imperial subunits and the vast majority of citizens.

As a by-the-way, with Corisande's integration, Imperial Charis' population will now constitute nearly 20% of the global population...the deficit is definitely shrinking.

Just looking at the thread title...

The ChImP, for short?

AClone wrote:Just looking at the thread title...

The ChImP, for short?

Fortunately for the sake of the dignity of that distinguished body, they've never seen a chimp, so only we readers would get the joke!