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What is Schuler's first name?
Post by Tararoys   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:01 am

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And do the safeholdians know that the archangels have first names?
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by Keith_w   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 6:55 am

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Traditionally, Archangels only had 1 name, Gabriel, Lucifer, etc, as they were created by God and therefore required no family name.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by thanatos   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:15 am

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Tararoys wrote:And do the safeholdians know that the archangels have first names?


They probably don't know - To Safeholdians, the "archangels" are larger than life, semi-divine beings who are beyond mortal strictures of family. But Schueler's first name (Frederick) is mentioned in LAMA by Nahrmahn as he confirms Paityr Wynsyn's lineage.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by Starsaber   » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:45 pm

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I believe the current Grand Vicar and the former Archbishop of Charis both had the same first name as Langhorn (accounting for spelling variations), so I think at least some knowledge of the Archangels full names survived.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by JeffEngel   » Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:41 am

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Starsaber wrote:I believe the current Grand Vicar and the former Archbishop of Charis both had the same first name as Langhorn (accounting for spelling variations), so I think at least some knowledge of the Archangels full names survived.

"Knowledge" may be too strong a word. It's somewhat unlikely that 'Eric' and variations on it saw that much use in Temple families as a coincidence, but it could go back to a tradition that was established early on without people retaining the knowledge that it goes back to Langhorne's first name.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by n7axw   » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:14 am

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JeffEngel wrote:
Starsaber wrote:I believe the current Grand Vicar and the former Archbishop of Charis both had the same first name as Langhorn (accounting for spelling variations), so I think at least some knowledge of the Archangels full names survived.

"Knowledge" may be too strong a word. It's somewhat unlikely that 'Eric' and variations on it saw that much use in Temple families as a coincidence, but it could go back to a tradition that was established early on without people retaining the knowledge that it goes back to Langhorne's first name.


Then too, with 8 million Adams and Eves, names like Eric and Frederick could have existed in the population as common names quite apart from and in ignorance of any knowledge of the names of the archamgels themselves.

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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by Dahak   » Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:26 pm

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Tararoys wrote:And do the safeholdians know that the archangels have first names?


Heh... I asked David the question of Safeholdians knowing the Angels' & Archangels' first names a while back. I'll have to dig out that email. I doubt he'd mind, if I shared.

My question was phrased about the circumstances around Cayleb deciding to believe Merlin after the Armageddon Reef Campaign, when Merlin said:

“No, they weren’t, Cayleb,” he said. “They were handed down by Jwo-jeng, and Tsen Jwo-jeng was no more an archangel than I am.”


I asked him if Merlin's use of Jwo-jeng's full name was a factor in Cayleb's fairly quick decision.

I thought it would have been an interesting angle to approach things.

IIRC, Safeholdian's do know that the Archangels had first and last names, but they aren't referenced much.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by wingfield   » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:16 am

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Starsaber wrote:I believe the current Grand Vicar and the former Archbishop of Charis both had the same first name as Langhorn (accounting for spelling variations), so I think at least some knowledge of the Archangels full names survived.


The first name of Grand Vicar Eric XVII is a sure sign that the names of Archangels are known and widely venerated. Until recent times, the same went for names of the Apostles and this continues in Catholic culture even now. Not to mention names like Michael and Gabriel being popular in both sexes and Raphael lagging not far behind.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by Dahak   » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:21 pm

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Tararoys wrote:And do the safeholdians know that the archangels have first names?


I stand corrected... my recollection was wrong.

Emphasis mine.

Some Guy Named Weber wrote:
Native Safeholdians do not know the archangel first names, but many of those first names have made their way into the language. Why, you may ask, is this the case? Well, first because the archangels' first names were fairly common for the ethnicities from whence they came and so would have been part of the general mix/supply of names. Second, because many of the command crew's supporters (and the surviving members of the Federation military) eventually "faded" into the general population by taking "native" spouses among the Adams and Eves (or simply having children who were fostered into "mortal" families), and many of their children were named for the leaders of the command crew. The fact that Merlin knew the archangels' first names wasn't especially meaningful for Cayleb - except inasmuch as it indicated that Merlin might know something about Jwo-Jeng that Cayleb didn't know - but it probably had a little significance when he started talking to the Brethren of Saint Zhernow, because they most definitely did know the "arachangels'" first names.


This from an email exchange David & I had early last year.
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Re: What is Schuler's first name?
Post by isaac_newton   » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:44 am

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Dahak wrote:SNIP
quote="Some Guy Named Weber"

SNIP Second, because many of the command crew's supporters (and the surviving members of the Federation military) eventually "faded" into the general population by taking "native" spouses among the Adams and Eves (or simply having children who were fostered into "mortal" families), and many of their children were named for the leaders of the command crew. SNIP

This from an email exchange David & I had early last year.


Oh Ah. Thats v interesting. I had been wondering what had happened to the crew.

Did His Celeryness happen to mention what happened to the remaining command crew/archangels as they got older?
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