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Re: Case Zulu!!!
Post by Bill Woods   » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:01 pm

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HB of CJ wrote:But then the problem was now instead of using "ten codes" we used plain English. Well, that does not work either. What we really need is a concrete set in stone rules of plain words that mean what they say. Not "received", "repeat", "say again", "your breaking up" etc.
wyrm wrote: There is an operational system that does precisely this. The colloquial name is Seaspeak, and it's designed for ship-to-ship communications. Every word/phrase is strictly defined, and only defined words can be used.
JohnRoth wrote: If I remember correctly, air traffic control does something similar.
Cleverly named "Airspeak".
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Imagined conversation:
Admiral [noting yet another Manty tech surprise]:
XO, what's the budget for the ONI?
Vice Admiral: I don't recall exactly, sir. Several billion quatloos.
Admiral: ... What do you suppose they did with all that money?
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Re: Case Zulu!!!
Post by Dafmeister   » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:34 am

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IIRC, the rules on air traffic comms were tightened up considerably after a pair of 747s collided on the runway at Tenerife in the 70's.
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Re: Case Zulu!!!
Post by lyonheart   » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:57 pm

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Hi Dafmeister,

I remember seeing and hearing about that when I was in England that year; March 27, 1977, the largest airline passenger disaster in history from simple causes or distractions.

Glad to know some things were improved so the same hopefully won't be repeated.

L


Dafmeister wrote:IIRC, the rules on air traffic comms were tightened up considerably after a pair of 747s collided on the runway at Tenerife in the 70's.
Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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Re: Case Zulu!!!
Post by Armed Neo-Bob   » Wed Sep 02, 2015 12:21 pm

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dscott8 wrote:In On Basilisk Station, when Honor sends word back to Manticore that the Peeps are coming, it's noted that "Case Zulu" is never, ever used for any other purpose than to announce an imminent invasion. Yet, in The Shadow of Saganami, when Hexapuma's Marine company goes to take out Norbrandt's hidden bunker, "Case Zulu" is used to annouce that the enemy has modern heavy weapons and the action shifts from a police function to a military assault. What's up with that? Sloppy com discipline, or is this a Marines versus Navy procedural thing?

It reminds me of my own Army com training, where they told us to use "say again" instead of "repeat", because the latter could be misheard as "retreat" and screw up a perfectly good strategy. The RMN appears to use "repeat" and "Say again" interchangably, but maybe their com quality is a lot clearer.


I worked a long time in the army as a radio op, and in radio intercept. The reason the army adopted "say again" was for both Fires control reasons (someone else addressed that) but there was an even older reason. Older less capable radios didn't have as much capability for squelch control, and static was a major hazard to communications. You said "say again" because "repeat" could sound a lot like "three" in the static. Its why you say niner and fife instead of Nine or five-- because in the static-filled trenches, what you hear are the vowels. 5 and 9 are particularly difficult to distinguish.

Today's equipment is a lot better.

Rob
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Re: Case Zulu!!!
Post by jthoma8318   » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:21 am

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dscott8 wrote:In On Basilisk Station, when Honor sends word back to Manticore that the Peeps are coming, it's noted that "Case Zulu" is never, ever used for any other purpose than to announce an imminent invasion. Yet, in The Shadow of Saganami, when Hexapuma's Marine company goes to take out Norbrandt's hidden bunker, "Case Zulu" is used to annouce that the enemy has modern heavy weapons and the action shifts from a police function to a military assault. What's up with that? Sloppy com discipline, or is this a Marines versus Navy procedural thing?

It reminds me of my own Army com training, where they told us to use "say again" instead of "repeat", because the latter could be misheard as "retreat" and screw up a perfectly good strategy. The RMN appears to use "repeat" and "Say again" interchangably, but maybe their com quality is a lot clearer.


Actually, the reason you use "say again" and not "repeat" is because when calling for fire, repeat means fire again without making any adjustments.
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