List of Honour - Honourverse

stewart wrote:Agreed --
OFS (and the SL in general) is interested in creating dependencies and protectorates where they have control (or at least controlling interest) than creating polities that can truly stand on their own.

-- Stewart

Jonathan_S wrote:I'd quibble with your parenthetical. The OFS likes creating dependencies and protectorates. Certain of the Transtellars like to exploit such systems. The Mandarins like the fees produced by then; those fund their government. But the bulk of the League, the sovereign systems and their populations are probably fairly indifferent on the matter.

Jonathan_S wrote:As big as the corrupt and greedy Transtellars that plunder the Shell are to those peripheral systems they aren't big or powerful enough at home to bend the will of Core systems. Those systems get little from the exploited verge, but it also doesn't cost them to have those systems exploited, so they are apathetic.

SWM wrote:

Fox2! wrote:
What's the age distribution of the Reserve Fleet? What is the oldest SD hull in the Reserve Fleet? Which SD has been in the Reserve Fleet the longest? Do they ever scrap hulls (other than for battle or operational damage), or just let them gather dust, unpowered, unaired, uncrewed, orbiting some distant planet?, What is the technology span of the Reserve Fleet? RFC has said that some of the Reserve Fleet still have auto cannon rather than PDLCs. Will the SLN expend the resources to activate the newest tranche of SDs from the reserves?

You should read the Pearls, and specifically http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/si ... gton/202/1.

We don't know how old the oldest hulls in the Reserve are, but that doesn't matter that much. Prior to the Havenite war, naval technology had been pretty stagnant for centuries. The Solarian League Navy runs the Reserve through a 100-year cycle. Essentially, every year, 1% of the Reserve is refurbished to current standards. Presumably, if a ship hull undergoing refurbishing was determined to be unsuitable or too damaged to use, it would be scrapped. And new-build ships are added to the Reserve regularly, as well. At any given time, no ship was effectively older than 100 years, even if the physical hulls were older. Given the rate of change in naval technology, this was quite adequate to keep the Reserve up-to-date for probably a thousand years or more.

Over the last century, there has been a lot of changes in naval technology--some of the pre-dating the Havenite war. As you noted, some Reserve ships still have autocannons instead of PDLCs, because those were invented less than 100 years ago. And most of the ships are still graser-heavy, because they were designed before laserheads. That's not even counting the changes introduced by Manticore.

Of course, all of these specifics don't really matter, because the Reserve will not be used. The text tells us that the SLN has already decided not to try activating the Reserve. They fully realize that none of the ships in the Reserve are of any use against Manticore.

cthia wrote:D'Orville had King Roger and Kuzak had King Roger III. Who had King Roger II? Also, even though they were destroyed, wouldn't both Sebastian's and Kuzak's ships continue to be honoured? They both died heroically.

Admitted to the Navy, he excelled on the basis of sheer talent, determination, and energy and had risen to commodore’s rank by 1662 despite a complete lack of patronage or highly placed relatives. At that time, he was selected to command the successful punitive expedition against the Ranier System, whose piratical “navy” had been raiding commerce and infrastructure in the vicinity of the Hennesy Terminus of the Manticoran Wormhole Junction.

There should also be a RMS Salamander, much to Honor's chagrin. Even with her metabolism, she can't have her cake and eat it too.

The League should be running out of ship names. And I think textev supported that, because didn't they have a ship named for something or someone that Honor, or someone, couldn't believe would be a ship name? Can anyone recall that ship's name?

Does textev give account of a ship being removed from the list?

Hutch wrote:Bunch of questions, cthia; I'll take a crack at them.

cthia wrote:D'Orville had King Roger and Kuzak had King Roger III. Who had King Roger II? Also, even though they were destroyed, wouldn't both Sebastian's and Kuzak's ships continue to be honoured? They both died heroically.

Roger II was King from 1642-1669. Edward Saganaimi's career overlapped most of that time, as seen from HoS:

Admitted to the Navy, he excelled on the basis of sheer talent, determination, and energy and had risen to commodore’s rank by 1662 despite a complete lack of patronage or highly placed relatives. At that time, he was selected to command the successful punitive expedition against the Ranier System, whose piratical “navy” had been raiding commerce and infrastructure in the vicinity of the Hennesy Terminus of the Manticoran Wormhole Junction.

Albeit the event that Saganaimi is remembered for (and lead to his death)came in PD 1672 under Queen Adrienne.

There should also be a RMS Salamander, much to Honor's chagrin. Even with her metabolism, she can't have her cake and eat it too.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there is one, just off-screen.

The League should be running out of ship names. And I think textev supported that, because didn't they have a ship named for something or someone that Honor, or someone, couldn't believe would be a ship name? Can anyone recall that ship's name?

You might be thinking of the Joseph Buckley, which Mike Henke remarked about being the 5th or 6th ship of that name, most of which came to bad endings (and since this one was Crandall's flagship, it also didn't survive.

As for running out of names, I think that is unlikely. The MWW has tried to keep the names from 'Old Earth" as much as possible for our (and perhpas his) benefit, but he's barely scrathced the surface of 2,000 additional years of history, not to mention the histories and features of 1,800 member planets. Heck, just add French, Spanish, and Chinese ship names to the mix and your names would increase several fold.

Does textev give account of a ship being removed from the list?

None that I have ever seen.

cthia wrote:D'Orville had King Roger and Kuzak had King Roger III. Who had King Roger II? Also, even though they were destroyed, wouldn't both Sebastian's and Kuzak's ships continue to be honoured? They both died heroically.

There should also be a RMS Salamander, much to Honor's chagrin. Even with her metabolism, she can't have her cake and eat it too.

The League should be running out of ship names. And I think textev supported that, because didn't they have a ship named for something or someone that Honor, or someone, couldn't believe would be a ship name? Can anyone recall that ship's name?


Does textev give account of a ship being removed from the list?

saber964 wrote:

cthia wrote:D'Orville had King Roger and Kuzak had King Roger III. Who had King Roger II? Also, even though they were destroyed, wouldn't both Sebastian's and Kuzak's ships continue to be honoured? They both died heroically.

There should also be a RMS Salamander, much to Honor's chagrin. Even with her metabolism, she can't have her cake and eat it too.

The League should be running out of ship names. And I think textev supported that, because didn't they have a ship named for something or someone that Honor, or someone, couldn't believe would be a ship name? Can anyone recall that ship's name?


Does textev give account of a ship being removed from the list?

There has already been a ship named HMS Salamander she was the lead ship of the Salamander class destroyers. It is also the name of Manticore A-I.

munroburton wrote:{snip - htm}
One consideration is that some vessels bearing a listed name may later perform deeds worthy of inclusion on the List in their own right - for instance, the second Fearless at Second Yeltsin or multiple Nikes.
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saber964 wrote:

cthia wrote:D'Orville had King Roger and Kuzak had King Roger III. Who had King Roger II? Also, even though they were destroyed, wouldn't both Sebastian's and Kuzak's ships continue to be honoured? They both died heroically.

There should also be a RMS Salamander, much to Honor's chagrin. Even with her metabolism, she can't have her cake and eat it too.

The League should be running out of ship names. And I think textev supported that, because didn't they have a ship named for something or someone that Honor, or someone, couldn't believe would be a ship name? Can anyone recall that ship's name?


Does textev give account of a ship being removed from the list?

There has already been a ship named HMS Salamander she was the lead ship of the Salamander class destroyers. It is also the name of Manticore A-I.