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Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by MTO   » Sat Jul 18, 2015 4:34 pm

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I always thought it was "Charlene", but in a recent thread, it was suggested it was "Shirley Anne". Discuss!
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by Kakai   » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:00 pm

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:? Charley Ann? In the Safeholdspeak, maybe Sharlean?
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by FreeTrav   » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:10 pm

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MTO wrote:I always thought it was "Charlene", but in a recent thread, it was suggested it was "Shirley Anne". Discuss!

When I first saw it, I agreed with "Charlene", but that got re-thought when I saw the use of "Sharley" as a nickname. Now I agree with the "Shirley Anne" hypothesis.
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by MTO   » Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:40 pm

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FreeTrav wrote:When I first saw it, I agreed with "Charlene", but that got re-thought when I saw the use of "Sharley" as a nickname. Now I agree with the "Shirley Anne" hypothesis.


heh. I read "Sharley" as "Charley", which seemed like a reasonable shortening of Charlene to me.
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by JeffEngel   » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:08 pm

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MTO wrote:
FreeTrav wrote:When I first saw it, I agreed with "Charlene", but that got re-thought when I saw the use of "Sharley" as a nickname. Now I agree with the "Shirley Anne" hypothesis.


heh. I read "Sharley" as "Charley", which seemed like a reasonable shortening of Charlene to me.

They've had quite a few years of language drift - between now and Operation Ark, and then and Sharley's adulthood. That's a heckuva blender. We should be more surprised when any name is recognizable than when one is not.

"Charlene" as an ancestor of "Sharleyan" is a fine candidate; I just wouldn't be married to it as a guide to pronunciation. I doubt "Shirley Anne" gets kept together so much that it mutates into a single proper name. It can't be ruled out with certainty, sure, but it'd be stranger than anything else on the table. (But it may be closer as a pronunciation by Sharleyan's time.)
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by jgnfld   » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:00 am

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JeffEngel wrote:
MTO wrote:...
heh. I read "Sharley" as "Charley", which seemed like a reasonable shortening of Charlene to me.

They've had quite a few years of language drift - between now and Operation Ark, and then and Sharley's adulthood. That's a heckuva blender. We should be more surprised when any name is recognizable than when one is not.

"Charlene" as an ancestor of "Sharleyan" is a fine candidate; I just wouldn't be married to it as a guide to pronunciation. I doubt "Shirley Anne" gets kept together so much that it mutates into a single proper name. It can't be ruled out with certainty, sure, but it'd be stranger than anything else on the table. (But it may be closer as a pronunciation by Sharleyan's time.)


Speaking of language drift which is often in the "lazy" direction, mentally I have migrated from "Sharley Anne" to "Sharlayne" which is easier to pronounce over the series. Probably not "correct" but who really knows?!
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by JeffEngel   » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:59 am

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jgnfld wrote:Speaking of language drift which is often in the "lazy" direction, mentally I have migrated from "Sharley Anne" to "Sharlayne" which is easier to pronounce over the series. Probably not "correct" but who really knows?!

There are a lot of names on Safehold I barely try to pronounce even in my head, much less aloud. It can make for difficult reading. For 'Sharleyan', I go "shar lay ann", with little or no particular emphasis and no regard as a rule for what it may have originated as.

Women's names in 20th and 21st century in the U.S. at least tend to come from a huge existing pool, to steal names from the male pool, and to get pulled out of thin air by parents. If that trend continued even as one thread among many in the Terran Federation (much less Safehold later), 'Sharleyan' may well have no ancestor we'd recognize anyway, or to have such a convoluted history ("Yeah, goes back to 'Margaret'... funny story....") that is may as well have been pulled out of thin air.
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by imperatorzor   » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:56 am

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I go by how it is said in the Audiobooks "Shar-lee-anne".

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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by cralkhi   » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:22 pm

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I always assumed it was intended to be a mutated "Charlene", but I always read it in my head as "Shar-lee-anne".
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Re: Pronouncing Sharleyan?
Post by Tenshinai   » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:27 am

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MTO wrote:I always thought it was "Charlene", but in a recent thread, it was suggested it was "Shirley Anne". Discuss!


Charlene should be Sharleen, and since language drift tends towards simpler, Charlene by itself at least is unlikely to be the source...

And you can´t get "Shir" from Shar without butchering pronounciation so badly the language will run and hide for ever and ever at the atrocity visited upon it.

heh. I read "Sharley" as "Charley", which seemed like a reasonable shortening of Charlene to me.


Charlie is used as a nickname for Charlene, compound the two and you could at least in theory end up with something like Sharleyan...
Even if it´s more than a little far out.

Charlie Ann(e) to get the whole. Or the latter part could be Lee-Ann(e) or some variation on that.

The origin could also be non-English, in which case the beginning might be "Char", "Skar/Skär", "Zha", "Cha", "Schar" and any number of others, those were just a few i could come with from languages i know.


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For 'Sharleyan', I go "shar lay ann"


That´s how i expect it should be pronounced.
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