If we all lived in Honorverse, would you leave earth?

So, while an individual, family or groups of families on Old Earth could leave and go elsewhere, it would most likely be very expensive to do so and not an easy or quick thing?

Perhaps not the actual trip expenses, but all the other related things that would have to come together. Pulling up roots and selling out all assets on Old Earth ... traveling ...

And putting down fresh roots at their destination, be where ever that might be. Quite involved. Perhaps very expensive. It may prove impossible for the average Earther to do so.

Like already discussed, it might take considerable resources of the extended family to get a smaller select group off Old Earth. Could the average person do this? Could one person do it?

Dunno. No way to predict either. Perhaps the right of Liberty may still exist on Old Earth in the Honorverse. Or maybe not. That plus determination. HB of CJ (old coot) Junior Captain.

What about looking at the immigrant traffic between Europe and the US in the late 19th, early 20th Century?

Cunard, White Star, HAPAG, Norddeutscher Lloyd, Compagnie Générale Transatlantique etc, etc earned a lot of money shipping immigrants across the Atlantic, supplementing their Mail contracts and the payments of the well-off passengers.

Each immigrant may have paid very little, but there were tens of thousands of them.

It's possible that there would be a similar, thriving, immigrant traffic in the Honorverse. Especially in the early Warshawski era after safety improved and during the period of the "Manticore Ascendant" series.

Mike.

JeffEngel wrote:Re microjumps from the Junction to Manticore-A (or B)'s hyperlimit -

Somtaaw wrote:
You'd need one helluva astrogator to microjump like that. Manticore doesn't even use microjumps when it left Basilisk Terminus and chased Giscard during Icarus, they traveled inwards on impellers.

from the MWJ to Sphinx, and back, you might be able to do the micro jumps, depending on whether Sphinx is in the RZ. It could be as little as a day and a half, mostly in the San Martin-terminus and Terminus-Beowulf legs.

You know, you'd think Astro Control, with enormous computers and sensors keeping up with the whole area, could support microjumps that would be that (potentially) routine from right about there to specific points.

It doesn't appear that they do, but it's quite puzzling that they don't.

If you missed wide on either end and clipped the RZ your ship goes *poof*. (AFAIK the RZ doesn't have "soft" edges like a hyper-limit. With a hyper limit most errors would land you in the soft outer 20% and you'd just bounce off the wall without destroying your ship)


But even when the planet is buried as deeply as possible in the RZ a successful microjump can shave off a lot of transit time (even allowing for the necessary n-space doglegs on each end to get and stay outside it for the jump.
So you'd think single ships would try more often. Especially outbound. Even if you missed the terminus long by a lighthour that's still almost 6 lighthours trimmed off your trip.

(Not microjumping a military formation under combat conditions is a little more understandable. You tend to get scattered more than usual, and risk getting caught dispersed and out of mutual support range.

JeffEngel wrote:Re microjumps from the Junction to Manticore-A (or B)'s hyperlimit -

Somtaaw wrote:
You'd need one helluva astrogator to microjump like that. Manticore doesn't even use microjumps when it left Basilisk Terminus and chased Giscard during Icarus, they traveled inwards on impellers.

from the MWJ to Sphinx, and back, you might be able to do the micro jumps, depending on whether Sphinx is in the RZ. It could be as little as a day and a half, mostly in the San Martin-terminus and Terminus-Beowulf legs.

You know, you'd think Astro Control, with enormous computers and sensors keeping up with the whole area, could support microjumps that would be that (potentially) routine from right about there to specific points.

It doesn't appear that they do, but it's quite puzzling that they don't.

You are assuming that the inaccuracy of microjumping is merely due to limitations on calculating. It appears that is not the case. In fact, the percentage accuracy (ratio of error divided by length of jump) appears to rise rapidly for short jumps.

It is as if there is an inherent uncertainty in the relationship between a point in normal space and a point in hyperspace. It would be similar to Heisenberg uncertainty; the shorter the hyperspace journey, the less accurate the transit point.

Yes, I have always thought that 1/2 of the population there, were morons anyways
I think I would like to live on Sphinx.

With Warnecke gone and a Fleet base starting up, Sidemore would be a happening place.
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Don't open that!! It's the original can of worms!

Imaginos1892 wrote:With Warnecke gone and a Fleet base starting up, Sidemore would be a happening place.
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Don't open that!! It's the original can of worms!

Given the astrological position of the Marsh system, (between the old Andermani Empire and the Silesian systems they took over), I wonder how long it will be before the Andermanis star thinking about incorporating Marsh into their empire?

George J. Smith wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:With Warnecke gone and a Fleet base starting up, Sidemore would be a happening place.
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Don't open that!! It's the original can of worms!

Given the astrological position of the Marsh system, (between the old Andermani Empire and the Silesian systems they took over), I wonder how long it will be before the Andermanis star thinking about incorporating Marsh into their empire?

I doubt it is going to happen. The Andermani expand based on opportunity and value. If you're troubled or weak and nearby, you're fair game. If they practically need to annex you for security, you're on the list.

Silesia made the list both ways for decades, and for decades, Manticoran objections to that annexation stopped them.

Marsh, by contrast, isn't a cesspool throwing off pirates like Silesia was. It's not weak or vulnerable. It's not especially valuable. And it has Manticoran backing. It has going for it solely location as an annexation target, and it takes a lot more than that for the Andermani to go for it.

Meanwhile, they've got a lot of Silesia to assimilate and OFS protectorates and clients and Verge systems threatened by OFS or post-OFS warlords are all likely to make the list based on the usual criteria, without Manticore having a serious problem with the Andermani going for them. (Manticore most likely will be going for them itself, in a gentler fashion.)

Developing better relations with Marsh could be a very reasonable Andermani goal. They needn't annex everything in sight, after all, and the most important goal with regard to Marsh is to disincline them as much as possible toward taking a Manticoran side against the Empire if/when the Andermani and Manticore butt heads again. Making Marsh neutral, or just less enthusiastically pro-Manticore, would be easy and wouldn't take any force at all. Heck, simply policing the nearby parts of the former Confederacy will earn them a lot of good will.

George J. Smith wrote:

Imaginos1892 wrote:With Warnecke gone and a Fleet base starting up, Sidemore would be a happening place.
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Don't open that!! It's the original can of worms!

Given the astrological position of the Marsh system, (between the old Andermani Empire and the Silesian systems they took over), I wonder how long it will be before the Andermanis star thinking about incorporating Marsh into their empire?

As Jeff says, Marsh is unlikely to be an Andermani acquisition. They've got a solid set of standard procedures when it comes to expansion - and one of them is taking it relatively slow, and they've been rather successful at it. Frankly, I would expect that Manticore would have studied (and utilized) large sections of the Andermani playbook when it came to integrating new acquisitions.

The Andies are going to be quite busy with their half of Silesia, plus they're probably helping cover the Manticoran half to some extent, then of course they're gunning for Mesa and the MAlign for the Hofschulte(sp?) Assassination.

Marsh, without Warnecke, might have been a target for expansion, Marsh with Warnecke definitely would have been. However, it's Marsh with a Manticoran Fleet Base.

Building more positive and closer relations with Marsh? Certainly. Taking the place over? Oh, the vehemently anti-Manticoran faction (or what's left of them) might want to try, but they'd be overruled and pointed in a new (and non-Manticoran) direction as soon as they made such a proposal where anybody else could hear them.

I think it would depend on whether RFC was leaving or not.

Imagine waiting for the next snippet to crawl back to Earth in hyperspace, while knowing that the lucky bastards at the other end of the galaxy already have the damn book ...