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Re: tech gap
Post by Somtaaw   » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:59 am

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Dauntless wrote:
exiledtoIA wrote:

The big problem with calling back everyone who ever submitted anything to the SLN would be MA agents.
If I was going to set up the SL for a fall the second place I would put covert agents is R&D.
That way I can steal anything that looks good, possibly get the SLN to pay for some of my research, and misdirect anyone who might be on the track of something good.
It would also let me waste the SLN's resources by spending money, time, and energy on things I know won't work.

Anyone remember the "Crippler"?


who and what they want are two of the biggest loose ends involved with charles and his plans. he screwed the PRH twice and somehow escaped andermani custody.

Malign would make just about perfect sense but it seems to easy for that to be the correct answer



Well, it does and it doesn't. :|

on the one hand, if Charles (and company) truly are MAlign agents, they were helping to keep Manticore and Haven distracted. By distracting Haven into researching stupid ideas (and spending money on it), they kept Haven from efficiently using its larger navy to just roll over Manticore. This extends the war longer, which kept them distracting from 'annoying' Mesa and enforcing the Cherwell Conventions.


And if they ARENT MAlign, or a derivative, they are yet another party who has its eyes open to whats happening in the League. Which could mean they were/are actually a part of Maya Sector? Or there's another League Sector that is sympathetic to Manticore, doesn't like Haven very much, and is trying to stay out of sight.


both sides, there's a lot of room for doubt, and/or the possibility of it being right. That's what makes Charles such an interesting character, is he working for the MAlign or not? Is he truly trying to help Manticore by screwing Haven or is there a greater agenda? :D
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Re: tech gap
Post by Dauntless   » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:08 pm

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I think that there must be a greater agenda but that would mean that we have yet another lot of spooky people interfering/manipulating the haven sector and that seems hard to swallow.
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Re: tech gap
Post by SWM   » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:57 pm

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Dauntless wrote:I think that there must be a greater agenda but that would mean that we have yet another lot of spooky people interfering/manipulating the haven sector and that seems hard to swallow.

Previous speculation on this forum has suggested that Charles is associated with Beowulf, and possibly specifically with Uncle Jacques. Pure speculation, of course, there's no solid evidence.
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Re: tech gap
Post by exiledtoIA   » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:06 pm

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Previous speculation on this forum has suggested that Charles is associated with Beowulf, and possibly specifically with Uncle Jacques. Pure speculation, of course, there's no solid evidence.[/quote]


I always figured Charles was working for a Sollie firm.
Maybe they had tried to get sales from Haven and were turned down.
So they drag the crippler out of mothballs, dust it off and try to sucker Haven.

Another possibility I've considered was that Charles was a former employee of a Sollie firm. Maybe let go for some reason that made him unemployable by any reputable ( for the SL ) firm.
He has the data from the Crippler and decides to try to run a scam on his own.
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Re: tech gap
Post by exiledtoIA   » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:13 pm

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Well, it does and it doesn't. :|

on the one hand, if Charles (and company) truly are MAlign agents, they were helping to keep Manticore and Haven distracted. By distracting Haven into researching stupid ideas (and spending money on it), they kept Haven from efficiently using its larger navy to just roll over Manticore. This extends the war longer, which kept them distracting from 'annoying' Mesa and enforcing the Cherwell Conventions.


And if they ARENT MAlign, or a derivative, they are yet another party who has its eyes open to whats happening in the League. Which could mean they were/are actually a part of Maya Sector? Or there's another League Sector that is sympathetic to Manticore, doesn't like Haven very much, and is trying to stay out of sight.


both sides, there's a lot of room for doubt, and/or the possibility of it being right. That's what makes Charles such an interesting character, is he working for the MAlign or not? Is he truly trying to help Manticore by screwing Haven or is there a greater agenda? :D[/quote][/quote]


It was also a distraction for Manticore, they had ships dissappearing and had to send in a tech team to find out why.
Everyone involved could have been doing something more detrimental to Haven if they hadn't been offf on a wild goose chase.
The fact that in the long run it may have contributed Admiral Hemphill and her people developeing the grav pulse comm demonstrates that Murphy never sleeps.
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Re: tech gap
Post by Theemile   » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:36 pm

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exiledtoIA wrote:
It was also a distraction for Manticore, they had ships dissappearing and had to send in a tech team to find out why.
Everyone involved could have been doing something more detrimental to Haven if they hadn't been offf on a wild goose chase.
The fact that in the long run it may have contributed Admiral Hemphill and her people developeing the grav pulse comm demonstrates that Murphy never sleeps.


I always though there was a remote possibility that Charles was, in fact, Manticorian.

However, like today's alphabet soup of various government agencies, Charles is another agent from a little known spy agency in some odd Many govt. agency which doesn't play well with the others. So he's out there doing this and no one (who in reality should know) knows what he is doing. It would be odd, if he ever did get captured by Manty forces, to find out he really worked for the "Special Collections Group" of the Tariffs dept. or the "Non-Treecat Intel div." of the Sphinxian Forestry Service, and his cover just got blown.
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Re: tech gap
Post by Dauntless   » Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:07 am

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a manty from some obscure agency? interesting idea, i'm not completely sold. then again i'm not completely sold abut any of the ideas. we just have too little info to make anything more then a guess
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Re: tech gap
Post by exiledtoIA   » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:34 pm

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I always though there was a remote possibility that Charles was, in fact, Manticorian.

However, like today's alphabet soup of various government agencies, Charles is another agent from a little known spy agency in some odd Many govt. agency which doesn't play well with the others. So he's out there doing this and no one (who in reality should know) knows what he is doing. It would be odd, if he ever did get captured by Manty forces, to find out he really worked for the "Special Collections Group" of the Tariffs dept. or the "Non-Treecat Intel div." of the Sphinxian Forestry Service, and his cover just got blown.[/quote]




I had never considered that possibility. It could be. It wouldn't even have to be a civvie agency.
I can see a covert ops branch of the RMN running an op like that and being convinced that if they could get the peeps to waste resources on something like this it would be "for the greater good".

Met way too many like that way back when.
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Re: tech gap
Post by saber964   » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:49 pm

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exiledtoIA wrote:I always though there was a remote possibility that Charles was, in fact, Manticorian.

However, like today's alphabet soup of various government agencies, Charles is another agent from a little known spy agency in some odd Many govt. agency which doesn't play well with the others. So he's out there doing this and no one (who in reality should know) knows what he is doing. It would be odd, if he ever did get captured by Manty forces, to find out he really worked for the "Special Collections Group" of the Tariffs dept. or the "Non-Treecat Intel div." of the Sphinxian Forestry Service, and his cover just got blown.





I had never considered that possibility. It could be. It wouldn't even have to be a civvie agency.
I can see a covert ops branch of the RMN running an op like that and being convinced that if they could get the peeps to waste resources on something like this it would be "for the greater good".

Met way too many like that way back when.[/quote]


That happens more than you might think, especially in law enforcement. There was a case in Texas where the DEA busted a joint FBI TexSP TexRanger drug operation. It IIRC blew a 2 year investigation.
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Re: tech gap
Post by Somtaaw   » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:53 pm

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I'm not quite so sure about Charles being some form of Manticoran alphabet soup agency type.

Somewhere, there would have been a memo sent up the chain, and then passed in a very low method to the top of ONI, that the Crippler program was being "sold" to the Peeps, and not to interfere. From head of ONI (then, Admiral Givens), it would have been quietly whispered in Hemphill's ear, not to interfere with it, when she reported the Peeps were experimenting with some form of super weapon. Or at least to not assign a good team, to minimize "time wasted".

Instead, Hemphill assigned one of her crack problem solving teams to the issue, and totally went about trying to observe and potentially steal the weapon. And Hemphill of all people, should have known the limitations of the grav lance. After all, she was the one who originally pioneered it's research when she was still only a Commander, assigned to Project Gram. Which is also why she poached Rafe Cardones off Honor, and put one of said crack problem solving team in his place.


On the other hand, Sonja was involved ridiculously early in "solving" the Crippler problem. 1902 PD, a bunch of merchies get taken, and they call in the head of the Weapons Development Board to solve the problem. 1908 PD, a bunch of merchies being taken, and they yawn, shrug, and send off the Armed Merchant Cruisers... and even sending that took the direct arm twisting by Klaus Hauptmann. The circumstances were near identical, and almost no reaction from BuWeaps, BuShips, or WDB. It was barely a blip on their radars (or should I say scanners?)
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