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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Peter2   » Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:45 pm

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Many thanks, RFC, and don't worry about our having to wait. We all recognize that there are only 24 hours in the day, and only one of you! :D
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Thrandir   » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:08 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Wow!

Thank you so very much RFC!

Hi Yatespsi,

Welcome and please enjoy your favorite simulated beverage on the simulated forum. ;)

Given OWL and Nahrmahn are watching Lincoln like a hawk, NTM Rhobair, I doubt very much this is a surprise to the inner circle.

Rather the question might more accurately be phrased as which allied army gets to use their rockets first? :D

Given Charis has been using rockets for around 2&1/2 years, I suspect that various Charisians starting with Cayleb if not Alfred, have been thinking about explosive rockets far sooner than Brother Lincoln, and have developed at least a couple of varieties, but haven't used them yet to avoid letting the Go4 copy them as quickly as they could, besides not having the proper kind of targets that such unguided rockets prefer.

Its still going to take month's to test, perfect and produce reliable rockets, NTM send them to the front, wherever that is by then; which will be plenty of time to ship large lots of the ICA's rockets from Charis to Siddarmark and use them before the Go4 does, if they haven't already, plus Siddarmark could probably produce many more after the Go4's committed to their design.

The main problem for the Go4 armies besides finding the ICA's first since they don't have scout snipers, is figuring out the indirect fire mathematics then systematizing it so soldiers can do it.

Which will take a little algebra and trigonometry they don't have, and may not get unless Clyntahn being so eager to fulfill his visions of such carnage puts all of the best CoGA mathematicians, astronomers, engineers and surveyors etc on the project.

Even then how long will it take them to come up with several centuries of mathematical and military concept breakthroughs?

Merlin is probably laughing up his sleeve after viewing the imagery; all that research and innovative thinking is just what he wants!

Edwyrd is probably saying finally, now we get to use ours!

While Rock Point can use the incendiaries to set fire to all the Desnari schooner yards!

Then there's the question of where Nahrmahn and OWL might interfere if he/they thought the Go4 were making advances too quickly; ie changing their blackboard notes, corrupting the fuel formula and experimental data and or production and transportation accidents...

Given how good Nynian and Merlin's spies are, I doubt the ICA won't be earned and ready when the time comes.

L




Very interesting and thanks RFC. Lots of food for thought.
Cannot believe I am agreeing with Lyonheart's assessment but I think you have hit it on the head with this one :lol:
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27 (Part two) Weapons SPOILERS
Post by Larry   » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:49 pm

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Ummmm SPOILERS (To quote Dr. River Song)



But when I started looking at this —” the Chihirite tapped the disk on his desk “— I realized that what it does is to . . . focus and direct the gasses spitting out of the back of the rocket. It shapes and regulates them, and I suspect the reason is to impart a spin to the entire rocket, the way rifling grooves spin and stabilize a bullet or an artillery shell


Are we talking Hale Rockets? <i.e. http://weebau.com/history/hale_rock.htm>

Also
Or, put another way, the bore could be extended clear through the receiver and, with the breech screw dropped to the loading position, a cartridge could be inserted from the rear in a straight-line, natural path, exactly the same way the heretics loaded their rifles.


Is there any historical weapon that acted like this? And when did the Church start using cartridges? I've been imagining their St. Kylmahn to be pretty much like a Ferguson rifle, which didn't use a cartridge so this seems like a jump to me. Or am I thinking metal cartridge when he probably means paper?

And in his description of fitting a bronze casting behind and around the artillery shells, would I be correct in thinking sabot?

Sure don't like the increases they're talking about for production, but I doubt they (The GO4 and the church) realize just how much they have changed their society by some of the changes (like including women into the workforce) and the havoc it will cause, even if they were to win tomorrow. Not that I expect them to win, but on the other hand, some of you were making very rosy predictions about how fast the ICA and Siddarmark forces would be cutting off Howard and Dohlar and I got a feeling that it ain't going to be so one sided.

Just a few thoughts.

Larry
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by Philip Stanley   » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:34 pm

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Great Post! We're up to page 128 of the final book. Fantastic!
Just one thing - this new post represents a change of scene, but somehow the subchapter heading got omitted. For those of you who are as compulsive as me, the correct heading should read:

.XI.
St. Kylmahn’s Foundry
City of Zion
Temple Lands

Thank you, great Ambler With Rhubarb!
Philip Stanley
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by tootall   » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:23 am

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[quote="lyonheart"]

Which will take a little algebra and trigonometry they don't have, and may not get unless Clyntahn being so eager to fulfill his visions of such carnage puts all of the best CoGA mathematicians, astronomers, engineers and surveyors etc on the project.

Even then how long will it take them to come up with several centuries of mathematical and military concept breakthroughs?


Always look for your take on the military stuff.

Have you considered the quality of the troops involved?
Used to do table top games and troops were rated, as Green, Vet, or Elite. And it has seemed to me that a lot of the Temple troops were Green when they started, and got little better beating up on Siddermarkians.

Now, however, many of them have had "real combat" experience. Those that survive til spring will be tough veterans. For that reason, I would hope that the alliance will do everything in it's power to take most of those troops out of the equation before reinforcements arrive.
Should the troops commanded by Ahlverez, Kaitswyrth, and Wyrshym be eliminated, then the Army of God will begin this campaign season with inexperienced troops again (although with better weapons).
On the other hand, any troops that escape the net, can act as cadre and will provide expertize from actual battle to newly arrived untested soldiers. (I do recall that "The Host" was going to get professional Church officers-but that can only go so far.)

(Now it may be that Runsfor hasn't seen fit to dwell on that aspect of combat because, one side is fighting for their God. And the other side either dies fighting or dies of torture. Not a lot of room for questions of morale.)
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?]
Post by Bruno Behrends   » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:04 am

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Thank you very much :)
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?]
Post by isaac_newton   » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:55 am

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Duchairn frowned again, wishing Maigwair could have been present after all. The last time he’d spoken to the captain general, Maigwair had waxed eloquent in his enthusiasm for the full-sized rifled angle-guns Fultyn had designed for the Army of God. Frankly, Duchairn doubted that Fultyn’s initial efforts would match the performance of the heretics’ weapons, yet it was obvious Maigwair expected them to compensate for much of Church’s present inferiority. At the same time, it was unlikely more than a few score of the new weapons could be gotten to the armies in the field before the spring thaw, and even if they could, the heretics and their infantry angle-guns had delivered a pointed lesson in the advantages of mobility.

“What do you have in mind, Brother Lynkyn?” he asked finally, and the Chihirite opened a desk drawer and extracted a circular disk of what looked like bronze. It was about four inches in diameter, Duchairn estimated, and perhaps a half-inch thick, and pierced by a series of angled slots or holes.



So this is where that Tiny snippet from April came from. So who was right in their guesses on that?


It is things like that and the toughness of the soldiers at St Esthyr’s, even under such a shock attack, that make me feel that HFQ is not just going to be a stroll in the park.

Tho glad to see that Kaitswyrth is not feeling quite so 'boisterous' :-)
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?]
Post by n7axw   » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:15 am

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isaac_newton wrote:
Duchairn frowned again, wishing Maigwair could have been present after all. The last time he’d spoken to the captain general, Maigwair had waxed eloquent in his enthusiasm for the full-sized rifled angle-guns Fultyn had designed for the Army of God. Frankly, Duchairn doubted that Fultyn’s initial efforts would match the performance of the heretics’ weapons, yet it was obvious Maigwair expected them to compensate for much of Church’s present inferiority. At the same time, it was unlikely more than a few score of the new weapons could be gotten to the armies in the field before the spring thaw, and even if they could, the heretics and their infantry angle-guns had delivered a pointed lesson in the advantages of mobility.

“What do you have in mind, Brother Lynkyn?” he asked finally, and the Chihirite opened a desk drawer and extracted a circular disk of what looked like bronze. It was about four inches in diameter, Duchairn estimated, and perhaps a half-inch thick, and pierced by a series of angled slots or holes.



So this is where that Tiny snippet from April came from. So who was right in their guesses on that?


It is things like that and the toughness of the soldiers at St Esthyr’s, even under such a shock attack, that make me feel that HFQ is not just going to be a stroll in the park.

Tho glad to see that Kaitswyrth is not feeling quite so 'boisterous' :-)


The only thing they have added so far that worries me at all are those rockets. Hopefully eberyone who might have to face them will be forewarned.

Don
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?] a
Post by wingfield   » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:57 am

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Philip Stanley wrote:Great Post! We're up to page 128 of the final book. Fantastic!
Just one thing - this new post represents a change of scene, but somehow the subchapter heading got omitted. For those of you who are as compulsive as me, the correct heading should read:

.XI.
St. Kylmahn’s Foundry
City of Zion
Temple Lands

Thank you, great Ambler With Rhubarb!
Philip Stanley


Does Nimitz eat Rhubarb?
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Re: HFQ Snippet 27[?]
Post by isaac_newton   » Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:11 am

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n7axw wrote:
isaac_newton wrote:
So this is where that Tiny snippet from April came from. So who was right in their guesses on that?


It is things like that and the toughness of the soldiers at St Esthyr’s, even under such a shock attack, that make me feel that HFQ is not just going to be a stroll in the park.

Tho glad to see that Kaitswyrth is not feeling quite so 'boisterous' :-)


The only thing they have added so far that worries me at all are those rockets. Hopefully eberyone who might have to face them will be forewarned.

Don


Yup - and besides working on the land, I guess that they could easily be used for coastal defence. Wooden ships would be v inviting targets, specially if COGA used some sort of incendary material as a payload. Even sail propelled ironclads would be vulnerable - at least as far as the masts and the crew above decks.
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