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Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?

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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Thrandir   » Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:01 am

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SYED wrote:none of the group of 4 can allow one of them taken down by the inquisition, as it would potentially mean in the future the inquisition will go after them later on.
Also, while the head of the church military force could be blamed for the failure of the battles, but the inquisitor has been also issuing orders to the troops and his own people, which could be blamed due to the interference of these orders with their original instructions.
I bet the strain of hteir alliance and the failure of the crusade will force the collapse of the group, or the rest of church rising up against them.


True to a point Syed but I cannot see anyone left surviving in the Church hierarchy being strong enough or in place to actually challenge even a disintegrating Go4.

My money is on Magwair if a) one of his strategies goes further astray - ie the pulling back to resupply/re-equip; b) if his new style tactics lead to another disaster; c) if he opposes Clyntahn on strategy again and it looks or appears like that his plan stinks of cowardice or no religious fervour.

In saying this Duchairn is not exactly in the best of positions - yes he does control the purse strings but in Clyntahn eyes is weak and does not exhibit enough 'faith'.

We have not been told in detail what Trynair has been doing during LAMA yes he is fearful of Clyntahn but at the same time he is a very canny individual who would have quite a number of contingencies in place if Clyntahn becomes even more unstable. Being fearful does not equate to underestimating his fellow Go4 members. He also knows that they are all in it together.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by cirret   » Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:14 am

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SYED wrote:none of the group of 4 can allow one of them taken down by the inquisition, as it would potentially mean in the future the inquisition will go after them later on.
Also, while the head of the church military force could be blamed for the failure of the battles, but the inquisitor has been also issuing orders to the troops and his own people, which could be blamed due to the interference of these orders with their original instructions.
I bet the strain of hteir alliance and the failure of the crusade will force the collapse of the group, or the rest of church rising up against them.


Hi Syed,

Who said that the killer has to be from the groep of 4. Raynor can kill Clyntain. He has acces to him. I can think of several scenarios that he have to do that out of self defense.
I admit an unlikly turn of event but not totally implausible. if he playes it right he might even end up as grand inquisator for the groep of 3 now :shock:
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Charles83   » Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:21 am

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There are 4 possibilities that I see, and it depends on a lot of stuff, the first 2 is the war continues on a semi-stalemate kind of situation I see clyntahn as perpetrator and either trynair or duchairn as its victims, if clyntahn is at the moment pragmatic and thinks he need to get rid of the weakest link in the group of 4 he will try to get rid of trynair, because for his mind he thinks he can take care of politics with his iron fist approach, of course if he at that time is with his biggot tyrant "everyone need to fear me hat", then he will get rid of duchairn because duchairn new approach to his personal faith make him not fear clyntahn and he will try to get rid of him just because of that.

The other 2 possibilities is if the war start going very very badly for the church, if charis and siddarmark are able to take all of siddarmark back from the church and start pushing towards the temple lands, at that point it will be a race to see who will die first either magwair or clyntahn, if magwair is the victim it will be because clyntahn is throwing him to the wolves as an scapegoat because of the military disasters, if instead clyntahn is the one assassinated, it will be because the other 3 seeing the disaster coming and seeing how unstable clyntahn has become, they decide to get rid of clyntahn and try to negotiate with charis, this of course would be the worst possiblke scenario for the inner circle (saint zhernau group and Nimue) but it is a possibility.

Up until this point of the story all 4 outcomes are possible with a lot of others that while unlikely they might happen, depending on how much story this next book covers and how the story evolve we will see what kind of outcome is more likely, there is even a chance that the situation explode on this book but i think that is unlikely.

Well those are my 2 cents.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Expert snuggler   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:13 pm

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Magwair might notice what the Grand Inquisitor keeps doing to generals who lose, realize "I'm next", and then realize "I'm next unless I do something about it first".

He's an easy man to underestimate but he's getting a quick education now.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by fallsfromtrees   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:53 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:Magwair might notice what the Grand Inquisitor keeps doing to generals who lose, realize "I'm next", and then realize "I'm next unless I do something about it first".

He's an easy man to underestimate but he's getting a quick education now.

The question is what is he going to do about it. Clyntyn has already made certain that all armed force in the immediate area of Zion is under his direct control,so unless Magwair decides to acquire a brand new Charis six shooter that he can conceal under his jacket so he can personally assassinate Clyntyn, there may mot be a lot he can do.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by McTurbo   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:15 pm

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peke wrote:My money's on Trynair. I think he's the weakest member of the Go4 at this time.



Maigwair. sooner or later he's going to get into a compromising position with all the failures. And he's the most likely to go to the front exposing himself to Merlin..
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by n7axw   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:17 pm

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I keep thinking about that story, "Aresnic and Old Lace." I find myself wondering if Clyntahn isn't overdue for a well seasoned dish...

As he gets to be more and more extreme, he gets to be a danger to everybody around him. I could see Duchairn or Traynair willing to provide the seasoning...

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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by Isilith   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:29 pm

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n7axw wrote:I keep thinking about that story, "Aresnic and Old Lace." I find myself wondering if Clyntahn isn't overdue for a well seasoned dish...

As he gets to be more and more extreme, he gets to be a danger to everybody around him. I could see Duchairn or Traynair willing to provide the seasoning...

Don


The only problem I have with that, is I want to see him on trial... I want to watch him crumble day by day as his world collapses.
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by n7axw   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:36 pm

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Isilith wrote:
n7axw wrote:I keep thinking about that story, "Aresnic and Old Lace." I find myself wondering if Clyntahn isn't overdue for a well seasoned dish...

As he gets to be more and more extreme, he gets to be a danger to everybody around him. I could see Duchairn or Traynair willing to provide the seasoning...

Don


The only problem I have with that, is I want to see him on trial... I want to watch him crumble day by day as his world collapses.


Agreed. But wouldn't it be fun to watch him frothing at the mouth as he colapses?

Don
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Re: Who among the Go4 will be the one to get killed first?
Post by colfaxstation   » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:27 pm

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It might be a variation on the theme of who defects first. If Magwair sees things going badly, a tour of the front lines could result in his accidentally taking a wrong turn and being captured rather than being executed by Inquisitors. Thirsk also seems to have plans laid somewhat in this direction already.

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