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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by AirTech   » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:36 am

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Dilandu wrote:
lyonheart wrote:The actual number of confirmed Me-262 kills is absurdly low for what was a revolutionary advance in fighters, although the swept wings were bent backwards initially to shift the center of gravity to where it had to be, not because it improved speed etc.


Well, when Me-262 was introduced in service, it was actually still on prototype stage at best. In fact, by the end of the war, "Meteor" and "Shooting Star" was much more combat-ready than any german jets.


The post war assessments rated the Me 262 as one of the best fighters of WWII, and much better than the Meteor (the Shooting Star was an under powered turkey in comparison) as its engines were more efficient and had a better power to weight, its swept wings gave it a higher critical mach number and it was way more heavily armed.
The down sides were that it was too fast and lacked air brakes, meaning that it had to go to idle power for landing and make a glide approach. On attack it had two seconds in firing range for the same reason.
Adding air brakes is a relatively simple modification that would have transformed it as a fighter, as would engines that lasted longer than 25 hours before needing rebuilding. (No Chromium or Titanium really put a spanner in the works there - the hot parts of the engine were aluminum plated mild steel, the aluminum oxidized to alumina ceramic in service but shattered if heat cycled fast, limiting the engine throttle response to 12 seconds from idle to full power).
Messerschmidt's next project was better still - the Russian's tweaked the design and the MIG-15 was the result.
The He 219 Uhu was probably a better fighter for the time (with a claimed kill rate of a bomber per hour of flight time - with five on its first operational mission) but again it didn't have priority or the fuel to be effective.
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by niethil   » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:56 am

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Tactique Théorique, Général Michel Yakovleff, p.82 wrote:Le rêve de l'adversaire, c'est le chef frappé de stupeur, mais maintenu aux affaires : il est déstabilisé, sujet à la sur-réaction ou à la passivité, et il reste une quantité connue. Dangereusement connue, d'ailleurs, puisqu'on l'a "déjà eu" une fois.

The dream of the ennemy is a commanding officer surpised, but kept in his post : he is destabilised, prone to over-reaction or passivity, and he is a known factor. A dangerously well-known factor, indeed, since he's already been mystified once.

(my translation)
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'Oh, oh' he said in English. Evidently, he had completely mastered that language.
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by Louis R   » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:49 pm

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"he's already been had once" probably translates the idiom of the last sentence better. Certainly more the way the typical American gets that idea across.


niethil wrote:
Tactique Théorique, Général Michel Yakovleff, p.82 wrote:Le rêve de l'adversaire, c'est le chef frappé de stupeur, mais maintenu aux affaires : il est déstabilisé, sujet à la sur-réaction ou à la passivité, et il reste une quantité connue. Dangereusement connue, d'ailleurs, puisqu'on l'a "déjà eu" une fois.

The dream of the ennemy is a commanding officer surpised, but kept in his post : he is destabilised, prone to over-reaction or passivity, and he is a known factor. A dangerously well-known factor, indeed, since he's already been mystified once.

(my translation)
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by Expert snuggler   » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:34 pm

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This is easy. Slip a drug into Clyntahn's imports of luxury food that raises blood pressure by, IDK, forty points or so. It won't hurt the tasters a bit. He'll stay apparently healthy after eating it, as will his dinner companions. Then, next time he goes into a hysterical rage, a blood vessel pops and everyone goes "saw that coming".
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by SWM   » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:28 pm

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Expert snuggler wrote:This is easy. Slip a drug into Clyntahn's imports of luxury food that raises blood pressure by, IDK, forty points or so. It won't hurt the tasters a bit. He'll stay apparently healthy after eating it, as will his dinner companions. Then, next time he goes into a hysterical rage, a blood vessel pops and everyone goes "saw that coming".

You would have to be willing to accept a lot of collateral damage. You can't be sure exactly which foods will go to Clyntahn. A lot of the food you poison will be consumed by people other than your target--there are hundreds if not thousands of other people working and living in the Temple. Many of them also consume luxury foods, and many meals are shared between multiple people.

This amounts to chemical or biological warfare. While you are talking about a smaller number of victims than nuking the city, it still sounds to me like something Merlin would not be willing to do.

As an aside, it also assumes that Merlin knows about Clyntahn's blood pressure problems and rages. While he may have heard some rumors, it would be impossible to target something that would not also harm other people.
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by chrisd   » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:29 pm

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SWM wrote:
Expert snuggler wrote:This is easy. Slip a drug into Clyntahn's imports of luxury food that raises blood pressure by, IDK, forty points or so. It won't hurt the tasters a bit. He'll stay apparently healthy after eating it, as will his dinner companions. Then, next time he goes into a hysterical rage, a blood vessel pops and everyone goes "saw that coming".

You would have to be willing to accept a lot of collateral damage. You can't be sure exactly which foods will go to Clyntahn. A lot of the food you poison will be consumed by people other than your target--there are hundreds if not thousands of other people working and living in the Temple. Many of them also consume luxury foods, and many meals are shared between multiple people.

This amounts to chemical or biological warfare. While you are talking about a smaller number of victims than nuking the city, it still sounds to me like something Merlin would not be willing to do.

As an aside, it also assumes that Merlin knows about Clyntahn's blood pressure problems and rages. While he may have heard some rumors, it would be impossible to target something that would not also harm other people.



Whether Merlin Knows or not, I am damned sure that Aivah knows, so therefore merlin WILL Know.
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by Expert snuggler   » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:46 pm

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SWM wrote:A lot of the food you poison will be consumed by people other than your target--there are hundreds if not thousands of other people working and living in the Temple. Many of them also consume luxury foods, and many meals are shared between multiple people.


Does anyone remember for sure whether the Vicars place individual food orders that are just for themselves and their guests? Did Clyntahn have some favorites specially procured?

Agreed, there's a substantial risk of collateral damage even in the best case. Clyntahn does have dinner guests, likely has tasters, and any of them might have hypertension.

Is there any way to get a DNA sample from the Grand Inquisitor and does Merlin have the technology to build a biological or chemical weapon that is only fatal to one person?
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by lyonheart   » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:27 pm

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Hi Expert Snuggler,

Welcome!
Please enjoy your favorite simulated beverage on the simulated forum. ;)

This has been broached before, and though I don't see it happening story-wise, OWL is becoming better at a lot of things, yet I don't think Merlin and the inner circle would approve of Nahrmahn encouraging OWL to become a genetic assassin, since they're unable to observe the sampling directly, the hazard would be making sure the sample was Clyntahn's not one of his servants.

Nynian's agents are better placed [I initially typed positioned- possible :oops: ] to get the required samples although explaining why might be awkward; "no, we're not going to put a voodoo type curse on him, or anything against the proscriptions" etc.

Again, he's doing the CoGA more ultimate harm than good alive, and he's too easy a scapegoat if he dies before the allies reach Zion for the Go3, NTM vicarate and inquisition to blame all their evil on, to meet RFC's justice standard.

Thus, while interesting, scratch this unlikely suggestion as Clyntahn's mortal Achilles' heel.

L


Expert snuggler wrote:
SWM wrote:A lot of the food you poison will be consumed by people other than your target--there are hundreds if not thousands of other people working and living in the Temple. Many of them also consume luxury foods, and many meals are shared between multiple people.


Does anyone remember for sure whether the Vicars place individual food orders that are just for themselves and their guests? Did Clyntahn have some favorites specially procured?

Agreed, there's a substantial risk of collateral damage even in the best case. Clyntahn does have dinner guests, likely has tasters, and any of them might have hypertension.

Is there any way to get a DNA sample from the Grand Inquisitor and does Merlin have the technology to build a biological or chemical weapon that is only fatal to one person?
Any snippet or post from RFC is good if not great!
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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by n7axw   » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:42 pm

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[quote="lyonheart"]Hi Expert Snuggler,

Welcome!
Please enjoy your favorite simulated beverage on the simulated forum. ;)

This has been broached before, and though I don't see it happening story-wise, OWL is becoming better at a lot of things, yet I don't think Merlin and the inner circle would approve of Nahrmahn encouraging OWL to become a genetic assassin, since they're unable to observe the sampling directly, the hazard would be making sure the sample was Clyntahn's not one of his servants.

Nynian's agents are better placed [I initially typed positioned- possible :oops: ] to get the required samples although explaining why might be awkward; "no, we're not going to put a voodoo type curse on him, or anything against the proscriptions" etc.

Again, he's doing the CoGA more ultimate harm than good alive, and he's too easy a scapegoat if he dies before the allies reach Zion for the Go3, NTM vicarate and inquisition to blame all their evil on, to meet RFC's justice standard.

Thus, while interesting, scratch this unlikely suggestion as Clyntahn's mortal Achilles' heel.

L


Corrupt one of his cooks to lace his dish with aresnic...

But I agree that RFC doesn't write this way.

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Re: One way to kill the grand inquisitor and rayno now
Post by Expert snuggler   » Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:01 pm

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lyonheart wrote:Nynian's agents are better placed [I initially typed positioned- possible :oops: ] to get the required samples although explaining why might be awkward; "no, we're not going to put a voodoo type curse on him, or anything against the proscriptions" etc.


I don't want to get too gross, but for either collecting genetic material or for transmitting an infection, Nynian's agents are alarmingly well suited.
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