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by Expert snuggler » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:51 pm | |
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Is there any successful example from Earth history of replacing such a deeply rooted idea?
Even postwar Japan, after a uniquely horrible military defeat and years of occupation, has many clinging to what amount to Imperial ideas and values. Consider Yasukuni, or a Prime Minister revoking apologies for wartime activities. |
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by SWM » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:21 pm | |
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Completely replaced? No, not within any timescale less than centuries. Replaced or changed sufficiently for society to move on? Yes, I think so. Such transformations are not always easy, and sometimes are violent, but they can and have happened. --------------------------------------------
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by Isilith » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:32 pm | |
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The Border Lands will be annexed by the RoS. That should be a given. |
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by Expert snuggler » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:14 pm | |
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What I've read is that well-programmed cult members usually stay that way unless there's a personal betrayal to shake their faith. In other words, not corruption in the Vicarate, but molestation by a local priest.
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by n7axw » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:19 pm | |
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And frequently they will continue loyal to the cult even then. Deprograming cult members can be nasty business. Don When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by cralkhi » Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:14 pm | |
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Merlin has some... rather dramatic... possibilities for demonstrations, though, if he really needs to do so. Landing his recon skimmer in front of every palace in Safehold, etc. |
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by Expert snuggler » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:56 am | |
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Drama is not enough. There's a reason I picked Japan as an example.
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by Louis R » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:55 pm | |
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Many. Start with polytheism in western Eurasia, since that's reasonably well documented. Move on to the Great Chain of Being, taking a peek at heliocentrism in passing, and maybe settle in the US South, for the moment: AFAICT, none of those flag-waving yahoos who want to keep niggers in their place still think that chattel slavery is the place.
edit to add: your example simply demonstrates that such changes aren't generally universal within a life time, not that they don't occur. Although, come to think of it, the recent history of East Asia illustrates just how radical change can be in 1 lifetime, if enough of those lives are sufficiently nasty, brutish and short.
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by Expert snuggler » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:12 pm | |
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This is a good board and thoughtful informed posts like Louis R's are the reason. |
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by cralkhi » Sat Jul 11, 2015 3:33 pm | |
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Well, I would say Japan's culture did change - functionally - even though not everyone was convinced. |
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