If we all lived in Honorverse, would you leave earth?

So out of idle curiosity, if we lived in the Honorverse right now, lets say somewhere between 1915 and 1920 PD. Saint Just was just toppled, Haven has moved back to a representative Republic, and the war is not raging.

Edit: one of the replies made a good point. The assumption is you are born on Earth, and you are *NOT* a have-not dweller, from the undercities. Through whatever reason (work, theft, etc) you have acquired enough money to get prolong treatment and pay for a seat on a ship going anywhere.

Think we all know rose would be on the first ship leaving Earth, headed straight for Haven, but who else would go somewhere, and for what reasons?


Personally, I could see myself going to Grayson. While I am not extremely religious, I actually rather like the concept of the Test of Life, and the Grayson's general attitudes that we've seen.

After Grayson, it'd be a hodge-podge desire to check out Erewhon, then Gryphon winters, and lastly Sphinx. I do love the woods, and an entire planet to explore, with or without a chance to meet a treecat would be a fun adventure.

Somtaaw wrote:So out of idle curiosity, if we lived in the Honorverse right now, lets say somewhere between 1915 and 1920 PD. Saint Just was just toppled, Haven has moved back to a representative Republic, and the war is not raging.


Think we all know rose would be on the first ship leaving Earth, headed straight for Haven, but who else would go somewhere, and for what reasons?


Personally, I could see myself going to Grayson. While I am not extremely religious, I actually rather like the concept of the Test of Life, and the Grayson's general attitudes that we've seen.

After Grayson, it'd be a hodge-podge desire to check out Erewhon, then Gryphon winters, and lastly Sphinx. I do love the woods, and an entire planet to explore, with or without a chance to meet a treecat would be a fun adventure.

I suspect I would have left some time ago, actually. As to where I went, well, that's not certain. Probably Erewhon, at least they have casinos there

Somtaaw wrote:So out of idle curiosity, if we lived in the Honorverse right now, lets say somewhere between 1915 and 1920 PD. Saint Just was just toppled, Haven has moved back to a representative Republic, and the war is not raging.


Think we all know rose would be on the first ship leaving Earth, headed straight for Haven, but who else would go somewhere, and for what reasons?


Personally, I could see myself going to Grayson. While I am not extremely religious, I actually rather like the concept of the Test of Life, and the Grayson's general attitudes that we've seen.

After Grayson, it'd be a hodge-podge desire to check out Erewhon, then Gryphon winters, and lastly Sphinx. I do love the woods, and an entire planet to explore, with or without a chance to meet a treecat would be a fun adventure.

Who says I'd be born on Earth? I'd be born a Grayson and marry a Havenite. Obviously. (Probably Warner Caslet.) Perhaps a stint in the Foreign Office would let me spend some time checking out Talbott? And of course I'd have to visit Sphinx and Gryphon. I wonder how you get a job working for Dame Estelle?

I suspect everyone for whom Earth is an overpopulated, seething pit of haves and have-nots who isn't a have is unable to leave it. If a have-not got a ticket to just about anywhere else, they'd be taking it in such a hurry they won't even ask where til they are safely in hyper.

Well - not counting hopeless romantics, people bent on improving Earth with some wild idea they can, and people too tied there by family.

But anyway - if I could leave Earth, and under the safe assumption I wasn't among the have's, goodness knows I would. If I still wanted the benefits of the League without the worst of its costs, moving to Beowulf or the Maya Sector would be nice. If I wanted to get safely out of it, and not in or near another war zone, out past Phoenix or Matapan may appeal.

With a war still on (formally) between Haven and Manticore, I wouldn't be eager to consider either of them as a place to set down roots and keep a family. Manticore's aristocracy would make my teeth itch, and Haven's uncertain relationship with the rule of law and domestic tranquility would be even less attractive. (I've got all kinds of hopes for Haven, but with this kind of pick of places to live, I'd not like to take that kind of risk.)

If i read it right, there's millions of people living on wellfare handouts, on earth. Not counting, the near Ferals, of the kind that raped Berry and were killed by Helen (jr).

So with that in mind, if i got a ticket, then frak yeah, i would be out of there so fast. Maybe for Beowulf, it would be to easy to say let's head to manticore and join the navy, because that's pretty much the only area that's well explored.

Somtaaw wrote:So out of idle curiosity, if we lived in the Honorverse right now, lets say somewhere between 1915 and 1920 PD. Saint Just was just toppled, Haven has moved back to a representative Republic, and the war is not raging.


Think we all know rose would be on the first ship leaving Earth, headed straight for Haven, but who else would go somewhere, and for what reasons?


Personally, I could see myself going to Grayson. While I am not extremely religious, I actually rather like the concept of the Test of Life, and the Grayson's general attitudes that we've seen.

After Grayson, it'd be a hodge-podge desire to check out Erewhon, then Gryphon winters, and lastly Sphinx. I do love the woods, and an entire planet to explore, with or without a chance to meet a treecat would be a fun adventure.

I suspect the typical person on Earth is reasonably satisfied with their circumstances and prospects. Not to say there aren't millions of people leaving each year, but I'd expect most of them to go to other Core Worlds. The few people going outside the League are likely driven by some desperate problem, or some ideological cause.

I can't see people moving to Grayson unless they've already converted to the faith. If people want a world with an incredibly harsh environment, they don't have to go nearly so far. Plus, I suspect the political system is not nearly so congenial to people who don't get to start out as world saviors.
I can see people who want to study ETs making a trip to Sphinx, and a few of them would wind up staying.

Of course anyone who can would leave earth or any other backwater corrupt slave state.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Human nature to aggrandize themselves and ultimately destroy. People of courage and substance will always flee to where there is a lack of power for freedom and toleration instead of inflexible rigidity of political elites backed by bureaucratic inertia. Eventually too many people arrive at this destination and the freedoms are eroded to elimination, because governance is now required for the masses till they are no different from where they fled from.

With 3000 or so inhabited systems of consequence in the Honorverse (and tens of thousands more with too few people to be considered consequential), I'm sure there's a system somewhere with top-flight civilian tech and a low probability of getting caught up in the middle of a war any time soon. That's where I'd want to go.

Bill Woods wrote:I can't see people moving to Grayson unless they've already converted to the faith. If people want a world with an incredibly harsh environment, they don't have to go nearly so far. Plus, I suspect the political system is not nearly so congenial to people who don't get to start out as world saviors.

Grayson's been welcoming to a lot of people other than world saviors. Heck, the man who captained the ship that nearly killed Grayson has been one of its proudest new citizens and most prominent defenders. When the prisoners created by Haven's decades of grinding up their homelands broke out of Hell, they largely settled there.

I doubt that many - if any at all - of them were converts when they landed there, and certainly none of them went for the fresh air that will kill you. (Kill you even faster if you're not among the people whose genes have been tinkered with to survive there.) They went and stayed because, somehow, despite being a theocracy with a theology that's waking up only recently to the last 3000 years of progress, it's a culture that, at its not-infrequent best, takes you as you are and asks only that you settle in and pitch in.

JeffEngel wrote:

Bill Woods wrote:I can't see people moving to Grayson unless they've already converted to the faith. If people want a world with an incredibly harsh environment, they don't have to go nearly so far. Plus, I suspect the political system is not nearly so congenial to people who don't get to start out as world saviors.

Grayson's been welcoming to a lot of people other than world saviors. Heck, the man who captained the ship that nearly killed Grayson has been one of its proudest new citizens and most prominent defenders. When the prisoners created by Haven's decades of grinding up their homelands broke out of Hell, they largely settled there.

I doubt that many - if any at all - of them were converts when they landed there, and certainly none of them went for the fresh air that will kill you. (Kill you even faster if you're not among the people whose genes have been tinkered with to survive there.) They went and stayed because, somehow, despite being a theocracy with a theology that's waking up only recently to the last 3000 years of progress, it's a culture that, at its not-infrequent best, takes you as you are and asks only that you settle in and pitch in.

Which is one of the reasons I actually find Grayson a very nice fit. We also have no evidence that Admiral Yu and the other Hades' escapees converted to the Church of Grayson, outside one or two cases, the couple from Camp Hell for example.

roseandheather wrote:Who says I'd be born on Earth? I'd be born a Grayson and marry a Havenite. Obviously. (Probably Warner Caslet.) Perhaps a stint in the Foreign Office would let me spend some time checking out Talbott? And of course I'd have to visit Sphinx and Gryphon. I wonder how you get a job working for Dame Estelle?

As I was making this thread, and knowing your umm, preferences. I was actually thinking you'd not only highjack a pinnace, but you'd be trying to figure a way to give it a streak drive.