What if it wasn't Kau-Yung's vest nuke?

What if the nuclear blast that killed Langhorne and the rest of the leaders was actually a coup by Chihiro to impose his personal brand of Safehold fundamentalism and Kau-Yung is getting the blame? I.e. there were 2 nukes at the conference?

Apologies if already posited.

RogueWarrior wrote:What if the nuclear blast that killed Langhorne and the rest of the leaders was actually a coup by Chihiro to impose his personal brand of Safehold fundamentalism and Kau-Yung is getting the blame?

Apologies if already posited.

Kau-yung claimed responsibility beforehand in the message to Nimue. There's no way Chihiro could have faked that and been what he seems and not bumped off Nimue too. So you'd have to suppose Kau-yung went in prepared with a nuke and Chihiro set off a nuke just before Kau-yung managed to. This makes the Chihiro Did It hypothesis totally superfluous - there's no evidence that supports it and very little that even could, and, with the nuke THAT over-determined to go off, it wouldn't even signify much if Chihiro was prepared to set one off too.

JeffEngel wrote:

RogueWarrior wrote:What if the nuclear blast that killed Langhorne and the rest of the leaders was actually a coup by Chihiro to impose his personal brand of Safehold fundamentalism and Kau-Yung is getting the blame?

Apologies if already posited.

Kau-yung claimed responsibility beforehand in the message to Nimue. There's no way Chihiro could have faked that and been what he seems and not bumped off Nimue too. So you'd have to suppose Kau-yung went in prepared with a nuke and Chihiro set off a nuke just before Kau-yung managed to. This makes the Chihiro Did It hypothesis totally superfluous - there's no evidence that supports it and very little that even could, and, with the nuke THAT over-determined to go off, it wouldn't even signify much if Chihiro was prepared to set one off too.

Congratulations! As far as I know, that is a brand new idea.

But I don't think this makes any significant difference in the plot. It doesn't matter much who actually set off the bomb. The result was that Langhorne and many of his chief followers were killed, and a succession war ensued between different factions of surviving Langhorne followers. Nothing really changes if this is true.

JeffEngel wrote:

RogueWarrior wrote:What if the nuclear blast that killed Langhorne and the rest of the leaders was actually a coup by Chihiro to impose his personal brand of Safehold fundamentalism and Kau-Yung is getting the blame?

Apologies if already posited.

Kau-yung claimed responsibility beforehand in the message to Nimue. There's no way Chihiro could have faked that and been what he seems and not bumped off Nimue too. So you'd have to suppose Kau-yung went in prepared with a nuke and Chihiro set off a nuke just before Kau-yung managed to. This makes the Chihiro Did It hypothesis totally superfluous - there's no evidence that supports it and very little that even could, and, with the nuke THAT over-determined to go off, it wouldn't even signify much if Chihiro was prepared to set one off too.

Congratulations! As far as I know, that is a brand new idea.

But I don't think this makes any significant difference in the plot. It doesn't matter much who actually set off the bomb. The result was that Langhorne and many of his chief followers were killed, and a succession war ensued between different factions of surviving Langhorne followers. Nothing really changes if this is true.[/quote]

It could if it wasn't truly Langhorne who ordered the Alexandria strike. What if it was Chihiro and the meeting was to be an alliance between Langhorne and Kau-Yung because Chihiro was insane and Chihiro got wind of Langhorne's intentions?

Remember Langhorne's original Writ wasn't batshit crazy.

Just some random assed thoughts.

Pei's final message specifically called out "Langhorne and the Administrative Council" as the target of his suicide run. Turning your supposed potential ally into radioactive ash is pretty indicative of what Pei's actual feelings towards Langhorne were.

Duckk wrote:Pei's final message specifically called out "Langhorne and the Administrative Council" as the target of his suicide run. Turning your supposed potential ally into radioactive ash is pretty indicative of what Pei's actual feelings towards Langhorne were.

OTOH, we don't know what transpired at the meeting. If Langhorne opens with "Chihiro gone crazy - he ordered a strike on Alexandria" might well have caused Kau Yung to have reconsidered, and then Chihiro nukes them both. It's the kind of plot twist RFC likes.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Duckk wrote:Pei's final message specifically called out "Langhorne and the Administrative Council" as the target of his suicide run. Turning your supposed potential ally into radioactive ash is pretty indicative of what Pei's actual feelings towards Langhorne were.

OTOH, we don't know what transpired at the meeting. If Langhorne opens with "Chihiro gone crazy - he ordered a strike on Alexandria" might well have caused Kau Yung to have reconsidered, and then Chihiro nukes them both. It's the kind of plot twist RFC likes.

Ah someone got what what I was trying to imply.

fallsfromtrees wrote:

Duckk wrote:Pei's final message specifically called out "Langhorne and the Administrative Council" as the target of his suicide run. Turning your supposed potential ally into radioactive ash is pretty indicative of what Pei's actual feelings towards Langhorne were.

OTOH, we don't know what transpired at the meeting. If Langhorne opens with "Chihiro gone crazy - he ordered a strike on Alexandria" might well have caused Kau Yung to have reconsidered, and then Chihiro nukes them both. It's the kind of plot twist RFC likes.

Actually, it appears to me that if this was RFC's plot twist, he apparently blew it up. How would we ever know one way or the other? Sounds a bit contrived to me...

Don

RogueWarrior wrote:

fallsfromtrees wrote:OTOH, we don't know what transpired at the meeting. If Langhorne opens with "Chihiro gone crazy - he ordered a strike on Alexandria" might well have caused Kau Yung to have reconsidered, and then Chihiro nukes them both. It's the kind of plot twist RFC likes.

Ah someone got what what I was trying to imply.

I understood what you were saying, but I still don't see how it affects anything.

SWM wrote:I understood what you were saying, but I still don't see how it affects anything.

It might help with an implementation of a secular (religiously neutral) society upon the reveal that the current WRIT is garbage invented by a madman. Chihiro becomes the get-out-of-jail-free card.

Think outside of the box!!