Counter missile pods

Somtaaw wrote:Well the graser torpedoes the Sharks fired had particle shields, and so does virtually every ship. Blowing up a big enough, dirty nuke, right in a missiles face, is just about guaranteed to annihilate the sensors of any missiles it's close to.

And the wedge is like a broom, so you just have to get "close" and the missile wedge itself would sweep that sudden particle spike right into the sensors. The only missile that might have particle shielding at all, would be the Apollo.


Now a dazzler, trying to even temporarily jam hostile missile control links, would have to be seeded with your attack wave, or fired relatively close to the same time. The farther out you can even temporarily cut missile links, the more survivable you make that salvo.

SharkHunter wrote:...(AKA they are ECM, not CM) with huge jamming systems in what would have otherwise been the "warhead space". ...

Somtaaw wrote:Well the graser torpedoes the Sharks fired had particle shields, and so does virtually every ship. Blowing up a big enough, dirty nuke, right in a missiles face, is just about guaranteed to annihilate the sensors of any missiles it's close to.

Weird Harold wrote:

SharkHunter wrote:...(AKA they are ECM, not CM) with huge jamming systems in what would have otherwise been the "warhead space". ...

How are you going to replace the warhead with "huge jamming systems" when:

a) CMs don't have warheads, the rely on their over-sized wedges for wedges fratricide.

b) CMs wouldn't have room for "huge jamming systems" because CMs are about one-fifth the sized of a MDM,

c) even if you could fit a jamming system in a CM, CMs are capacitor powered and don't have the energy budget to run a jamming system -- especially since you'd have to sacrifice capacitor space to install your jamming systems.

FWIW, the latest from Ghost Rider Labs is called Lorelei and is a decoy/ecm drone fired from Mk23 capable (fusion powered) launchers. Lorelei seems to be a close-in decoy, but otherwise is close to what you suggest.

MaxxQ wrote:Except the Viper, which not only has a warhead, but also a laserhead.

That said, the rest of your points are valid.

SharkHunter wrote:Thinking about this one a little bit more, but not in the traditional "CM wedge on shipkiller wedge" sense of a CM, and
definitely with a WAY different modus operandi. I'd have the
"first stage" impellers for a long range CM solution push the pod, not individual missiles].

In the Honorverse, an uncontrolled missile is pretty much as good as a miss, and at DDM/MDM ranges, even planned "rotating control" of the links screws with accuracy significantly. What if your "long range CM" solution is designed to deliberately screw with the enemy fleet's ability to control the shipkillers, (AKA they are ECM, not CM) with huge jamming systems in what would have otherwise been the "warhead space". Think of the clumped missiles with an ACM not being able to acquire their targets or get good links back to the ships, etc.

Thoughts?

SharkHunter wrote:Thinking about this one a little bit more, but not in the traditional "CM wedge on shipkiller wedge" sense of a CM, and
definitely with a WAY different modus operandi. I'd have the
"first stage" impellers for a long range CM solution push the pod, not individual missiles].

SWM wrote:Missiles are controlled by laser comms, not by radio. There isn't really a way to jam laser comms.

Plus (as others have said), counter missiles don't have any warhead space.

SWM wrote:Missiles are controlled by laser comms, not by radio. There isn't really a way to jam laser comms.

Weird Harold wrote:

MaxxQ wrote:Except the Viper, which not only has a warhead, but also a laserhead.

That said, the rest of your points are valid.

The Viper is not a counter-missile, it is an anti-LAC dog-fighting missile.

Weird Harold wrote:Even when used in a CM role, a Viper relies on Wedge fratricide instead of its anti-LAC warhead.