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svenhauke wrote:what i really want to know is :

how does a ship and its wedghes look like ?

i juust cant see how it works

i mean the wedges are suposed to be so close to top and bottom of the ship that they protect it , right ?

so that means they go back from the front and back, and meet in the middle ??? how is that suposed to work ???

can t see it

if anyone can please a picture

It's in the Pearls: http://infodump.thefifthimperium.com/en ... gton/100/1

thank you, still can t see it, a ship with wedges pleas a picture

i want a picture of a ship with its wedge, please

oh i just see the picture... doesent make sense cause the wedge doesent defend the top or bottom its useless, and the after wedge isnt in existance

ok i goto review my perception of the function of webers idea

svenhauke wrote:thank you, still can t see it, a ship with wedges pleas a picture

i want a picture of a ship with its wedge, please

oh i just see the picture... doesent make sense cause the wedge doesent defend the top or bottom its useless, and the after wedge isnt in existance

ok i goto review my perception of the function of webers idea

I don't understand what you mean. The yellow inclined planes on top and bottom are the wedge. They do defend the top and bottom. The orange vertical planes are the sidewalls. It is the front and back (especially the front) which are exposed without any protection.

What do you mean by "after wedge"?

svenhauke wrote:thank you, still can t see it, a ship with wedges pleas a picture

i want a picture of a ship with its wedge, please

oh i just see the picture... doesent make sense cause the wedge doesent defend the top or bottom its useless, and the after wedge isnt in existance

ok i goto review my perception of the function of webers idea

The top plate of the wedge is above the ship; the bottom, below it. While the space inside the wedge is large relative to the ship, relative to the battlefield, it's minute.

There is no after wedge.

The closest things to such would be stern walls and the aft Warshawski sail. Stern walls are the aft counterpart to the bow wall - one of the new sidewalls you can project aft, with some edge gaps still or complete to the wedge and sidewalls if you will accept no changes in acceleration with it up.

Warshawski sails are an alternate wedge function, projecting the plates fore and aft, for travel in grav waves or through wormholes. They're as tough as standard wedges, just in a different area. The sidewall and armor scheme of ships are built around the defense and blind arcs created by the impeller wedge, not Warshawski sails, because combat in grav waves or immediately before or after a wormhole transit is so rare that a design built to fight specifically there would be too hobbled by that for almost any combat it would actually find itself in.

according to the pictere the wedge is about 35-45 degrees and far from the ship, i allways had a vision of 2 wedges from the fore and after nodes, ok thats gone.

i allso had a vision that the wedge would be close to the top or bottom of the ship, thats gone too.

but with this visiual, id thinkt that the top and bottom of a ship are not protected in any special way from anything that can hit the sides, so id think it would be neccesary to armor ships all around

to asume you don t have to armor the top or bottom of the ship, the wedge hast to be extreme sharp angel, 2 degrees most

svenhauke wrote:according to the pictere the wedge is about 35-45 degrees and far from the ship, i allways had a vision of 2 wedges from the fore and after nodes, ok thats gone.

i allso had a vision that the wedge would be close to the top or bottom of the ship, thats gone too.

but with this visiual, id thinkt that the top and bottom of a ship are not protected in any special way from anything that can hit the sides, so id think it would be neccesary to armor ships all around

to asume you don t have to armor the top or bottom of the ship, the wedge hast to be extreme sharp angel, 2 degrees most

Well, they're not protected in any special way except that there's a pretty narrow range of angles from which a laser head might hope to hit them.

They're roughly 150 km back inside the wedge. So even though there's roughly 58 km of clearance between the upper (or lower) hull and it's wedge a missile detonating from 30,000-50,000 km back doesn't have much of a plunging shot at the unarmored bits. Plus, the sidewalls tend to bend the laserhead beams away from the ship, so it's even harder to score top and bottom hits.

lets not argue

in my opinion

at that angels

the top and buttom are not better protected then the sides

basicly protected from the front, but not from side shots

so sorry don t leave top and bottom unprotected

svenhauke wrote:lets not argue

in my opinion

at that angels

the top and buttom are not better protected then the sides

basicly protected from the front, but not from side shots

so sorry don t leave top and bottom unprotected

Protected from the front? Huh? There is nothing protecting the front or back. The sides are protected by the sidewalls--the orange vertical planes. There is one on either side of that tiny white ship in the diagram. You are essentially looking at the broadside of the ship through one of the sidewalls.

And how is the top not protected? To hit the top, you have to fire through the yellow planes--the impenetrable impeller bands.

Perhaps you have the wrong idea of what is the top, side, and front?

SWM wrote:

svenhauke wrote:lets not argue

in my opinion

at that angels

the top and buttom are not better protected then the sides

basicly protected from the front, but not from side shots

so sorry don t leave top and bottom unprotected

Protected from the front? Huh? There is nothing protecting the front or back. The sides are protected by the sidewalls--the orange vertical planes. There is one on either side of that tiny white ship in the diagram. You are essentially looking at the broadside of the ship through one of the sidewalls.

And how is the top not protected? To hit the top, you have to fire through the yellow planes--the impenetrable impeller bands.

Perhaps you have the wrong idea of what is the top, side, and front?

The top and bottom are both easily hittable, but laser hits must traverse at a steeper angle through the sidewall. This should*** ease the magnitude of the energy strike. Lets not kid ourselves. SD's are still armored up there, just not as thickly. How else could Michelle Henkes boat bays on the Ajax both have been trashed? Boat bays are near the extreme top/bottom.

Relax wrote:

SWM wrote:Protected from the front? Huh? There is nothing protecting the front or back. The sides are protected by the sidewalls--the orange vertical planes. There is one on either side of that tiny white ship in the diagram. You are essentially looking at the broadside of the ship through one of the sidewalls.

And how is the top not protected? To hit the top, you have to fire through the yellow planes--the impenetrable impeller bands.

Perhaps you have the wrong idea of what is the top, side, and front?

The top and bottom are both easily hittable, but laser hits must traverse at a steeper angle through the sidewall. This should*** ease the magnitude of the energy strike. Lets not kid ourselves. SD's are still armored up there, just not as thickly. How else could Michelle Henkes boat bays on the Ajax both have been trashed? Boat bays are near the extreme top/bottom.

Agreed, the angle you can get on the dorsal or ventral surface from the side or front is much higher than one might have expected. Still, Hauke seems to have an odd understanding of the picture if he thinks the bow and stern are protected but the side and top and bottom are not.