What exactly is powering the temple?

evilauthor wrote:
Is it sturdy enough to remain operational after getting nuked? Because I was talking about them in context of resisting attacks because the Temple was designed to resist attacks up to all but the heaviest nukes.

clancy688 wrote:

evilauthor wrote:
Is it sturdy enough to remain operational after getting nuked? Because I was talking about them in context of resisting attacks because the Temple was designed to resist attacks up to all but the heaviest nukes.

I think you don't understand what I'm talking about. Read my post again. I'm talking about some kind of solar receptors embedded into the armorplasted roof of the temple.

The stuff is translucent after all (textev). Maybe you could even embed nano machines which do the filtering.

So there's only two cases to be considered in case of using solar power and nuclear attacks:

- the armorplast withstands the attack. In which case the "solar panels" are fine as well.
- the armorplast doesn't withstand the attack. In which case the Temple is a patch of radioactive, molten rubble which won't need any more power at all.

clancy688 wrote:

evilauthor wrote:
Is it sturdy enough to remain operational after getting nuked? Because I was talking about them in context of resisting attacks because the Temple was designed to resist attacks up to all but the heaviest nukes.

I think you don't understand what I'm talking about. Read my post again. I'm talking about some kind of solar receptors embedded into the armorplasted roof of the temple.

The stuff is translucent after all (textev). Maybe you could even embed nano machines which do the filtering.

So there's only two cases to be considered in case of using solar power and nuclear attacks:

- the armorplast withstands the attack. In which case the "solar panels" are fine as well.
- the armorplast doesn't withstand the attack. In which case the Temple is a patch of radioactive, molten rubble which won't need any more power at all.

AirTech wrote:
A nuke would vaporize the panel regardless of the armorplast - the optical energy transfer alone would be enough, assuming the resultant scratches didn't take it out of service .

A geothermal tap would be more secure as it has the mass of the building to protect it.

n7axw wrote:

captinjoehenry wrote:
well the main issue with fission plants is that unless you are able to refuel them even if they are breeder plants i doubt they could last for almost a 1000 years on one fuel load. Now this issue is even larger in a fusion plant as they do not normally produce more fuel as they operate. But they can extract the fuel they need from sea water. So if the temple has a se water intake and a processing plant it could keep itself fueled for a very long time but that would depend on a water intake that could get blocked or covered from almost a 1000 years of sediment.

Now for the geothermal plant i agree that is probably the most likely but i do think that the safest bet would probably be a large diesel engine that is running off of a tap into an oil deposit beneath the temple. Now this has several merits as a single large diesel engine running off of a whole oil deposit would have a nearly limitless supply of fuel and it would be totally self lubricating and if it was built with TF tech it could probably keep running forever and if the oil deposit is pressurized you would not even need any pumps to get the fuel out of the ground and a diesel engine does not have any of the meltdown or containment lose issue that nuclear plants have and there would be no need for any finely balance turbine blades or any need to deal with high temperature and pressure steam which would be an issue with geothermal plants. Also a diesel engine would not need any pumps to force water or some working fluid back underground which a geothermal plant would most likely need.

I know that we are talking tech in the distant future, but the notion of a diesel engine running a thousand years without breaking down seems a bit of a stretch to me with all of those moving parts, each one a potential failure point...

Don

captinjoehenry wrote:the main reason that i feel a diesel engine would be capable of running for so long is by virtue of its simplicity as diesel engines have no spark plugs and they are simple to lubricate so if you can make the engine out of battle steel i would think that it would be very reliable and simple to maintain even by idiot robots. Now I feel it would be more reliable than some sort of turbine system either oil powered or geothermal as turbines are exposed constantly to a high stress environment (high temperature, pressure and high speed rotation) while diesel engines are exposed to much more easily dealt with stresses. Now using thermocouples might work but I am sceptical of even in the future making them maintain their effectiveness over nearly 1000 years of continuous operations.

Joat42 wrote:

captinjoehenry wrote:the main reason that i feel a diesel engine would be capable of running for so long is by virtue of its simplicity as diesel engines have no spark plugs and they are simple to lubricate so if you can make the engine out of battle steel i would think that it would be very reliable and simple to maintain even by idiot robots. Now I feel it would be more reliable than some sort of turbine system either oil powered or geothermal as turbines are exposed constantly to a high stress environment (high temperature, pressure and high speed rotation) while diesel engines are exposed to much more easily dealt with stresses. Now using thermocouples might work but I am sceptical of even in the future making them maintain their effectiveness over nearly 1000 years of continuous operations.

I would think the question where to get the fuel is the real problem. On top of that it's a very inefficient way to produce energy compared to other technological alternatives available to the Federation.

captinjoehenry wrote:that's true but IF this is a big IF the temple is built on top of an oil deposit the diesel engine would have a nearly infinite fuel supply as oil deposits contain billions of barrels of oil which would give a single diesel engine enough fuel to run for a long time. Using current efficiency data 1 billion barrels of oil will allow a diesel generator to produce 357,721,413,000 kwh which in 1000 years would give 40,835 kwh per hour of operation which i think we will all agree would be crazy for any one structure to use per hour except if it is armed with future weapons that are in continuous operation. And most oil deposits have at least 50 billion barrels of oil in them which should easily give the temple enough power to operate for as long as needed even if it has a crazy amount of energy consumption.

AClone wrote:Clearly, the Temple is powered by hot air.

What else do they need so many Vicars for???