Compensators, Wallers, and tonnage

Unfortunately that isn't a viable option. As has been pointed out very nearly every time we've seen pods used you can tractor only a very small number to your hull without obscuring CM control links shipboard sensors, laser clusters and all the other stuff a ship needs to fight. Which means the moment someone fires you have to either jettison the pods and write them off as proximity soft kills in the ensuing shootout. Or use them.

if you know your going up against someone you'd need that many pods against. That's fine. otherwise your risking a single piddly little DD costing you most of your missile compliment.

Carl wrote:Unfortunately that isn't a viable option. As has been pointed out very nearly every time we've seen pods used you can tractor only a very small number to your hull without obscuring CM control links shipboard sensors, laser clusters and all the other stuff a ship needs to fight. Which means the moment someone fires you have to either jettison the pods and write them off as proximity soft kills in the ensuing shootout. Or use them.

if you know your going up against someone you'd need that many pods against. That's fine. otherwise your risking a single piddly little DD costing you most of your missile compliment.

Shades of grey my friend. It is not an ALL or NOTHING proposition. Your ALL solution is BoMa 1 where 600 pods were dumped on an SD. Another aspect you are forgetting concerning control links is; broadside control links do not matter any more as Keyhole takes care of that. Broadisde control links are backup now.

If you load up externally with enough pods can it block your PDLC's/CM's? Sure. Of course said PDLC's/CM's are all along your midships on top and bottom turn of your hull. How did RFC already handle this?

You still have the ability to carry 80 of the suckers on a 2.5M ton hull without blocking sensors at the spindle ends as Michelle Henke did. I do not know about you, but, 80*(9-14) is gonna fry anyone.

No, you do not need to worry about soft kills either. They are behind your wedge/sidewalls. It is not a use them or lose them proposition until you go insane and dump a billion pods on your hull.

In either case, all I was driving towards is even a BC with only a single pod deployment point would probably be considered superior to a BCL. Add in multitude of deployment points for pods and it is superior. And, Yes, I do consider the GSN Courvosair BCP better than the Aggy as it has a couple broadside tubes. It would be pretty stupid to shoot an entire pod of missiles at a pirate... But with viper missiles, maybe this does not matter anymore. If only said vipers had a 1/2 power function their range would be 16Mkm instead of 3.75Mkm.

So, IF, vipers had a 1/2 power function, you could argue that a BCL can produce roughly (50/18)*60 + 60*60/8 or a tidy 167MK16s/min + 450Vipers/min or north of 600 offensive missiles/min. Now obviously ppl will start to catch on and they will kill the MK-16's first and ignore the vipers till later. One trick pony? Maybe. Depends on upgrade ability of viper and if it is worth it or not to MK-16G standards. In either case it will not have the power available for ECM dragons teeth etc and the defender will still swat the MK-16s first.

No, you do not need to worry about soft kills either. They are behind your wedge/sidewalls.

Not the one's you dumped to clear your hull.

Of course you can carry a modest number on the hull. But remember that the RMN is actively working to bring missile defence back upto speed. There's a serious capability gap right now in many respects between what ships can take from apollo and what they could take in pre-MDM days. hat gap isn't going to be there forever. At that point 640 missiles really isn't going to be anywhere close to a kill shot against a BC.


Also Vipers have much lighter warheads than even pre mod g Mk 16's. there enough for LAC sidewalls at close range but nowhere near up to being a serious threat to a proper warship. Remember modern LAC's have zero armour whatsoever.

Carl wrote:Also Vipers have much lighter warheads than even pre mod g Mk 16's. there enough for LAC sidewalls at close range but nowhere near up to being a serious threat to a proper warship. Remember modern LAC's have zero armour whatsoever.

Read, contemplate, qualifiers in other peoples posts? Does this ring a bell ever?

Carl wrote:

No, you do not need to worry about soft kills either. They are behind your wedge/sidewalls.

Not the one's you dumped to clear your hull.

So: Why would you load up your hull to the point where you must clear it? Hrmm? And by "clear", what is your definition of "clear"?

Carl wrote:Of course you can carry a modest number on the hull. But remember that the RMN is actively working to bring missile defence back upto speed. There's a serious capability gap right now in many respects between what ships can take from apollo and what they could take in pre-MDM days. hat gap isn't going to be there forever. At that point 640 missiles really isn't going to be anywhere close to a kill shot against a BC.

Lets see, you state, that CM defenses will increase, so total number of missiles required for a kills goes up. You therefore come to the "obvious" conclusion that the number of predeployed pods needs to increase and therefore "clearing" the hull will be done as a matter of course and then go on to say, clearing the hull is a problem...

Aieeee.

Aieeeeeeee

Seriously do you have to use 3 posts to reply.


1. I read about 2/3 of the way through your last paragraph. And no it's not even a one trick pony. Remember different sized edges look different. They'd know from the wedge signature alone, let alone any down the throat actual looks at the missiles, that they were vastly smaller than Mk 16's and thus too small to be a threat.

2. Clear means exactly what it means in this case as when it's used in the books. get all the pods over your important stuff out the way.

3. I have no idea what your saying here. Try again.

Carl: I have no idea how you could not understand what Wastedfly wrote unless you are purposefully being contrarian.

Oh and PS. It is easier to make 3 posts than trying to copy paste all these moronic quote'] trash. Moronic forum code. Yes, I sometimes try the copy paste garbage to delineate points, but usually give up as this forum does not allow the highlight quote option.

Besides most people cannot be bothered to be wedged out of their groove and contemplate more than 3 lines of writing on this forum or in any other aspect of life, so short tiny posts help.

Just to be clear about an earlier comment BCL do not have less CM tubes than BCP according to HOS a BCL has 64 CM tubes and 84 PD clusters while a BCP has 60CM tubes and 84 PD clusters.

Only thing you missed is the new smaller mobile forts.

A Fort that can do everything the Wayfarer did with modern pods and LAC and many more of them modern military wedges and Armour pretty much negates the need for bigger SD or SD(P).

They are the in system answer or if you need to attack another system they are the big slow giants that can do what nothing else can.

A Nike BCL is the military ship that does the old SD role.

The CLAC is the new ship that does the WWII aircraft carrier role that replaced the battleship. The LAC the heavy bomber role and fighter space ship role.

perhaps the next SD(P) will not have missiles just be a big CLAC with a pod type LAC launcher.

The mobile Pod and LAC with punching power.

shouldn't be too hard to replace the graser with a mk23 pod.