Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question

SYED wrote:It is suspected that gunpwder was created to aid in creating a canal system for harchong. what if a supposed plan for the this canal system is discovered? the harchong support it due to the fortune they could gain in graft and bribes, and tthe church will as it could let them try to compete.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Harchong did use gunpowder to build their canal system. What "plan" are you talking about? They already built their planned canals.

SWM wrote:

SYED wrote:It is suspected that gunpwder was created to aid in creating a canal system for harchong. what if a supposed plan for the this canal system is discovered? the harchong support it due to the fortune they could gain in graft and bribes, and tthe church will as it could let them try to compete.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Harchong did use gunpowder to build their canal system. What "plan" are you talking about? They already built their planned canals.

Umm, no, you are wrong. The textev clearly stated that the bribes were paid to allow gunpowder, specifically to build new canals in Northern Harchong... but that they never got built.

I am subtly implying they could arrange for a faked set of old plans to make their way to the right people, so they would take the claim for the proposal. SO they would invest their esources in trying to make it possible. They would never allow a proposal from the empire to be created, but some old plan, from some old harchong noble is a definite possibility.
It would be a way to obsure the lack of church advancements.

Isilith wrote:

SWM wrote:I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Harchong did use gunpowder to build their canal system. What "plan" are you talking about? They already built their planned canals.

Umm, no, you are wrong. The textev clearly stated that the bribes were paid to allow gunpowder, specifically to build new canals in Northern Harchong... but that they never got built.

I thought they had been built. Do you remember where the textev is?

SYED wrote:I am subtly implying they could arrange for a faked set of old plans to make their way to the right people, so they would take the claim for the proposal. SO they would invest their esources in trying to make it possible. They would never allow a proposal from the empire to be created, but some old plan, from some old harchong noble is a definite possibility.
It would be a way to obsure the lack of church advancements.

Perhaps I am missing something. What is the purpose of this? Why help Harchong improve it's internal transportation system? The Church certainly isn't going to invest in such a project during the war--it would take ten or twenty years to complete it.

SWM wrote:

SYED wrote:I am subtly implying they could arrange for a faked set of old plans to make their way to the right people, so they would take the claim for the proposal. SO they would invest their esources in trying to make it possible. They would never allow a proposal from the empire to be created, but some old plan, from some old harchong noble is a definite possibility.
It would be a way to obsure the lack of church advancements.

Perhaps I am missing something. What is the purpose of this? Why help Harchong improve it's internal transportation system? The Church certainly isn't going to invest in such a project during the war--it would take ten or twenty years to complete it.

I think it's a post-war suggestion to fool conservative Harchong into making progressive moves by passing it off as a wholesome old idea.

It may suffer from being awfully roundabout though.

SWM wrote:I thought they had been built. Do you remember where the textev is?

MTaT, chapter 9. It goes into why the Harchong economy is how it is. Including the lack of canals, due to the shallow rivers and mountains. Then went into how Harchong pushed for gunpowder to be able to blast canals out, but that they were never built. Most likely due to the bureaucrat that bribed the Inquisition to allow gunpowder, dying off.

Isilith wrote:

SWM wrote:I thought they had been built. Do you remember where the textev is?

MTaT, chapter 9. It goes into why the Harchong economy is how it is. Including the lack of canals, due to the shallow rivers and mountains. Then went into how Harchong pushed for gunpowder to be able to blast canals out, but that they were never built. Most likely due to the bureaucrat that bribed the Inquisition to allow gunpowder, dying off.

Thanks for the cite! It was a little tricky to find--there are four chapters labeled IX in MTaT. It was in May 896 IX, if anyone else is looking.

I made the suggestion as it would be a way to drain funds, man power and resources. The whole systems would make the prroject slow and inefficient, as well as corrupt. Even if they built a canal system, they will realise they dont want everyone able to travel so easily. Their own society is built on avoiding change, and a canal system, would introduce many changes.

SWM wrote:Thanks for the cite! It was a little tricky to find--there are four chapters labeled IX in MTaT. It was in May 896 IX, if anyone else is looking.

Sorry about that.

The "Harchong problem" is one that won't have a pretty end. There will HAVE to be a peasant rebellion in it, just to free it from the shackles of its own government. Merlin is also right, in that it will not be pretty. Also, when it kicks off, the country will not stabilize for years.

During that time if turmoil, I would expect the two easternmost provinces of N. Harchong to secede, as they appear to be conquered members of the Borderlands. I also expect South Harchong to secede, either in whole or balkanize. Speaking of balkanizing, that could occur in Nothern Harchong proper as well.

What I wonder is this, why they aren't trying to instigate such a rebellion now, when it would help Siddarmark and the EoC in their struggle against the CoGA.