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by n7axw » Fri May 22, 2015 6:58 pm | |
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My, my, what a bunch of conspiracy hounds... I remember an organization called the John Birch society back when I was a kid... I don't know if its still around, but my did they ever major in conspiracies.
There is enough holes in all this conjecture to drive freightliners through. We still don't know at this point whether the Schueler of the book and the Shueler of the hologram are two people or if they are one and the same. We don't know if there was really daylight between Schueler and Chihiro, or that Langhorne would have disapproved of what happened after his death. What we do know is that there seems to be a divergence between Shueler as presented in the holo and the one who wrote the book that bears his name. Whether they are really different or simply two faces of the same individual we have no way to guess. What we know is that St. Khody went to Zion to visit with Schueler and died there. In all probability it was murder. Schueler has to be the number one suspect since he went to talk to Schueler. Beyond that, our conjecture departs into fantasy. What we do know is that Commodore Pei believed that Langhorne ordered the strike on the Alexandria enclave. While there are other possibilities, there is not yet any convincing evidence to reverse that belief. Judging from the textev, we know that there apparently some confusion about who did what to whom in the aftermath of the strike on the Alexandria enclave. There seems to be an attempt to assert Langhorne's innocence, but as of this moment, not enough has been presented to give credibility to that assertion. Personally? I think Commodore Pei was right and I wouldn't trust the rest of that crowd even so much as an eyelash. Don When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by Keith_w » Fri May 22, 2015 7:06 pm | |
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I've been thinking about this snippet a lot as I am sure a lot of us have been.
I have been wondering how the unfallen knew that the fallen were defeated, that the war was over? By their very nature guerrillas concealed among the citizenry are hard to find, and if you cannot identify them all, then how do you know there are none left? How do you know there isn't a community of the fallen living peaceful lives next to one of those concealed manufactories that seemed to be sprouting up under every large mountain on the planet? --
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. |
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by n7axw » Fri May 22, 2015 7:31 pm | |
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You really don't know... But if you have other industrial modules, they certainly have stayed in hiding for a long time... plus, you can assume that some of those industrial modules were discovered and destroyed. What I wonder is if all of those modules were discovered and destroyed. After all, Nimue's cave remained undiscovered. It would not be unreasonable to ask if there is a similar facility elsewhere that also remained undiscovered, perhaps protected by an order like the sisters. Don When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by tootall » Fri May 22, 2015 8:12 pm | |
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tootall wrote:
If I'm Merlin, I having Owl design "super" battle steel undies. I'm also going to want better weapons than sword and pistol. The "Thing in the Basement" "suddenly" has the potential to destroy Merlin -and Nimue -and the whole Charis experiment. (I had sort of dismissed that fear.) Dilandu replied But what weapon they could produce, that would not need a superior industry or a large ammount of energy to mantain? Also, this weapons should be as low-tech as possible. I could only think about gun-type nuclear bombs, build without any electrical components. OWL would produce several sets of weapons capable of dealing with anything up to and including an "Apocalypse Troll". There is no telling what the "Unfallen" might have built in The Basement to deal with future threats. I'm sure there were some nasty gadgets built to fight the Gbaba. Surely the specs for those weapons were available to them. If the "Unfallen" feared that the "fallen" might reappear -down the road-a handy super weapon would be just the thing. As of now, Merlin's weapons "may" not be lethal enough. |
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by n7axw » Fri May 22, 2015 8:26 pm | |
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I think that you don't want to head for the basement of the Temple with anything high tech at all. Instead, you take one of the inner circle out to Nimue's cave, thoroughly train that person in the use of computers and send that person to the basement with a low tech camera and let him see what he can see and shoot as many pictures as possible.
I doubt that that person would get into the computer on the first trip. But the info gathering might be useful. I wonder if this might not be a mission for Hektor. Don When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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by McGuiness » Sat May 23, 2015 3:29 am | |
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Thanks RFC for a snippet that was astoundingly informative!
Also, please take care, and I pray that the procedure to install your pacemaker will go well, and that it will return you to good health. (Although if you're fond of microwave popcorn, you'll need someone else to pop it for you!) I have doubts as to whether I'll be around to see the end of the series, but we'd all be quite put out if you weren't! So the old argument that the Hamilcar which "isn't around" may be in an elongated orbit of centuries long duration suddenly seems more plausible, since clearly Chihiro wasn't likely to throw away his manufacturing advantage during the War of the Fallen, and with all those scattered TF tech manufacturies, which may or may not have all been discovered, keeping the Hamilcar around would make sense. He may not have been as fanatically anti-tech as Langhorne, but clearly he's just as psychotic and narcissistic. Ok, we have a reasonable explanation of how the archangels will return in 1000 years. We don't know which of them, and we don't know their agenda. It's a bit late to putting the tech genie back in the bottle short of using the Rakurai to bomb Safehold back to the stone age, since all the major nations are involved in the tech race due to the holy war. We still don't have an explanation of what happens if you find the room in the basement and use the Key of Schueler to call for help, since that's something that can only be done once, and it seems that the Hamilcar could drop by every millennium or so to see if the plan is still on the rails. (Oops!) I suspect that an AI would awaken, possibly Schueler himself who we assume is stored in the Key, but since the Rakurai can reload itself, that's not a one time option either... Happily for the sake of debate, the probability that the Hamilcar is still out there somewhere just went up dramatically. That also bodes well for Safehold getting back into space with cutting edge TF tech, since the Hamilcar would have records of just about all of it... "Oh bother", said Pooh as he glanced through the airlock window at the helmet he'd forgotten to wear. |
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by Joat42 » Sat May 23, 2015 12:12 pm | |
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I have been thinking about what happened to Kohdy, it is entirely possible that they tried to re-program him again to erase knowledge and doubts but it failed and he died as a result. --- Jack of all trades and destructive tinkerer. Anyone who have simple solutions for complex problems is a fool. |
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by SHV » Sat May 23, 2015 12:29 pm | |
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"What we know is that St. Khody went to Zion to visit with Schueler and died there."
**** Just listening to HFAF again and "Harrison(sp?)" was mentioned as the most important mortal in the war against the fallen....I wonder if he is involved in the Khody saga?? Steve |
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by chickladoria » Sat May 23, 2015 2:32 pm | |
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Yes, the John Birch Society is still around. Yes that are conspiracy enthusiasts, but many if not all advocacy groups tend to favor conspiracy as the major reasons their goals are thwarted.
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere
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by n7axw » Sat May 23, 2015 3:00 pm | |
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Just happens to be the one I remember most vividly when I was a kid... The Commies are taking over the woorrlld.... Well, if so, they're pretty inept about it. About like the MAlign and their 600 year old conspiracy...whoops! Wrong universe! Don When any group seeks political power in God's name, both religion and politics are instantly corrupted.
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