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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by PeterZ   » Mon May 18, 2015 2:29 pm

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That's my point, Don. The technology to build in the Terran Federation is as far ahead of us as we are ahead of Caesar. OWL's fabber needed raw materials and energy to make Nimue's PICA body. Yet in the Federation PICA's were hideously expensive. The same applies to fabbers themselves, compact fusion plants, mining bots and all the other geegaws of the TF. On Safehold if one has a fabber, the only cost of a piece of equipment are the material and energy inputs.

The dissemination of technology is only hampered by lifestyle choices once the demand for fabbers has been satisfied. On Earth many of the third world cannot afford the production costs and imbedded R&D costs in the devices of the first world. That's why Safehold will turn out differently. Nobody owns the knowledge on Safehold, the inner circle simply are the only one's with access. That will change soon enough.
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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by SYED   » Mon May 18, 2015 7:59 pm

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I bet to further this end, they will sell the equipment to allow other nations to develop their own infrastructure and industry, as the empire is susceeding from their attitudes and hteir innovations. Even with all the tech, the mainlands would need more than that even to begin to match the empire.
THe spread of tech will push the church in every way, so the empire wont need to break the proscriptions, the main land wil do that for them.
THe republic will be hte first to develop. I can see hte church forced to adopt the changes themselves. Harchong will have to be dragged kicking and screaming.
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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by n7axw   » Tue May 19, 2015 8:34 pm

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SYED wrote:I bet to further this end, they will sell the equipment to allow other nations to develop their own infrastructure and industry, as the empire is susceeding from their attitudes and hteir innovations. Even with all the tech, the mainlands would need more than that even to begin to match the empire.
THe spread of tech will push the church in every way, so the empire wont need to break the proscriptions, the main land wil do that for them.
THe republic will be hte first to develop. I can see hte church forced to adopt the changes themselves. Harchong will have to be dragged kicking and screaming.


I can think of all manner of places that will have to be dragged kicking and screaming: Desnair, Sodar, North Harchong,
Temple Lands, Border Lands except for Silkiah, and the list goes on...

That was really the point of my earlier post.

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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by Isilith   » Tue May 19, 2015 9:14 pm

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n7axw wrote:
I can think of all manner of places that will have to be dragged kicking and screaming: Desnair, Sodar, North Harchong,
Temple Lands, Border Lands except for Silkiah, and the list goes on...

That was really the point of my earlier post.

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I think The Borderlands are about to become "Western Siddarmark"...
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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by n7axw   » Tue May 19, 2015 11:17 pm

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Isilith wrote:
n7axw wrote:
I can think of all manner of places that will have to be dragged kicking and screaming: Desnair, Sodar, North Harchong,
Temple Lands, Border Lands except for Silkiah, and the list goes on...

That was really the point of my earlier post.

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I think The Borderlands are about to become "Western Siddarmark"...


That's an interesting idea. I have felt that Silkiah would be a good fit with Siddarmark given the similarities of their economies.

The others? There certainly is the possibility of that happening through conquest. But even if it turns out that way, their outlook is deeply conservative and while Siddarmark may well be in control, it's going to be restive and maybe more grief for the occupier than it's worth. Even in military defeat the COGA is going to have a lot of support in the borderlands areas. "Kicking and screaming" might be a mild description of what happens in those areas.

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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by SYED   » Thu May 21, 2015 12:33 am

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thats the thing, even if sold all the gear needed to modernise, their societies will mess it all up. so deeply inefficient and costly.
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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by n7axw   » Thu May 21, 2015 12:41 am

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SYED wrote:thats the thing, even if sold all the gear needed to modernise, their societies will mess it all up. so deeply inefficient and costly.


Right. That is why Merlin is so intent on trying to cultivate the habits of thought that lead to modernization so they can do it for themselves...

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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by Joat42   » Thu May 21, 2015 10:43 am

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SYED wrote:thats the thing, even if sold all the gear needed to modernise, their societies will mess it all up. so deeply inefficient and costly.

It all depends on your goal. If you aren't making mistakes you aren't really learning either.

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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by n7axw   » Thu May 21, 2015 7:03 pm

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Joat42 wrote:
SYED wrote:thats the thing, even if sold all the gear needed to modernise, their societies will mess it all up. so deeply inefficient and costly.

It all depends on your goal. If you aren't making mistakes you aren't really learning either.


This is also right. But there is a whale of a difference between making a correctable mistake that producing useful learning and believing that your mistake is in offending God who is telling you not to do this any more. In the one case, the mistake becomes a part of an ongoing process that leads to progress. In the other, you get a taboo you don't want to go near.

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Re: Ehdwyrd Howsmyn question
Post by SYED   » Fri May 22, 2015 2:08 am

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It is suspected that gunpwder was created to aid in creating a canal system for harchong. what if a supposed plan for the this canal system is discovered? the harchong support it due to the fortune they could gain in graft and bribes, and tthe church will as it could let them try to compete.
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