Official HFQ Snippet #25

Isilith wrote:Ummm, Schueler was supposed to be an Archangel, a heavenly being. NOT flesh and blood, not mortal.

bigrunt wrote:Would love to know who the "demon" was that bested the sergeant major and what kind of resources he had access to. I also wonder if it is the hamilacar that will return in 1000 years, not something under the temple. Maybe making a FTL trip to slow elapsed time while people inside are in hibernation.

DrakBibliophile wrote:Only David Weber knows about the Hamilacar and he isn't telling.

bigrunt wrote:Would love to know who the "demon" was that bested the sergeant major and what kind of resources he had access to. I also wonder if it is the hamilacar that will return in 1000 years, not something under the temple. Maybe making a FTL trip to slow elapsed time while people inside are in hibernation.

DrakBibliophile wrote:Safehold theology definitely states that Archangels/Angels had flesh and blood bodies while on Safehold.

Also the Wylsynn family apparently had little problem with the idea that they were descended from Schueler.

So it's obvious that the Safehold view of Archangels/Angels doesn't contain the idea they could not "mate" with mortals because they "lacked" bodies.

JeffEngel wrote:Here's a sketch of what may have been Schueler's situation. Let me know if it fails to track anything we know so far.

Schueler was one of the most prominent successor angels and one of Chihiro's most senior allies/associates. Unlike Chihiro, Schueler wasn't out for power and wasn't looking to revise Langhorne's plan as bet he understood it - he just figured the boss had things right or right enough, the Fallen had made a wrong choice with perilous consequences, and Safehold needed saving from them with Chihiro calling the plays.

Along the way, he got a family and seeing Schueler about his doubts got Kohdy killed. I don't think we've got evidence of the timeframe on those, but here are two possibilities:

1 - Schueler had a forbidden family, Chihiro knew about it, and held it over him. That got Kohdy killed, and that may have led to Schuler preparing his family, with tradition, the message, the Key and the Stone, to minimize the damage Chihiro's Church would do. It was all he could do, and the least he could do.

or 2 - Schueler betrayed Kohdy, out of true belief or by accident, but it's still a sort of last straw and the spiritual "taint" got passed on to him. Secretly, he wasn't Chihiro's follower anymore but the War was lost. All that was left for him to do by way of trying to redeem himself was to pass the mission on to a family and give them the tools and the sense of purpose to do it.

Either way, Schueler never publicly parts ways with Chihiro, he's one of the "heroes" of the War, and he gets his name plastered on the sacred guide for changing minds with torture and the example thereof. But meanwhile, he's picked up the torch and passed it on to his family (who else could he trust?) so that the worst excesses Chihiro's Church will invite are opposed.

n7axw wrote:Well, SNIP

Somebody should be feeling vindicated. The fallen were military personnel who served under Kau-yung... Interesting.

SNIP

The plot thickens...

Don

JeffEngel wrote:Here's a sketch of what may have been Schueler's situation. Let me know if it fails to track anything we know so far.

Schueler was one of the most prominent successor angels and one of Chihiro's most senior allies/associates. Unlike Chihiro, Schueler wasn't out for power and wasn't looking to revise Langhorne's plan as bet he understood it - he just figured the boss had things right or right enough, the Fallen had made a wrong choice with perilous consequences, and Safehold needed saving from them with Chihiro calling the plays.

Along the way, he got a family and seeing Schueler about his doubts got Kohdy killed. I don't think we've got evidence of the timeframe on those, but here are two possibilities:

1 - Schueler had a forbidden family, Chihiro knew about it, and held it over him. That got Kohdy killed, and that may have led to Schuler preparing his family, with tradition, the message, the Key and the Stone, to minimize the damage Chihiro's Church would do. It was all he could do, and the least he could do.

or 2 - Schueler betrayed Kohdy, out of true belief or by accident, but it's still a sort of last straw and the spiritual "taint" got passed on to him. Secretly, he wasn't Chihiro's follower anymore but the War was lost. All that was left for him to do by way of trying to redeem himself was to pass the mission on to a family and give them the tools and the sense of purpose to do it.

Either way, Schueler never publicly parts ways with Chihiro, he's one of the "heroes" of the War, and he gets his name plastered on the sacred guide for changing minds with torture and the example thereof. But meanwhile, he's picked up the torch and passed it on to his family (who else could he trust?) so that the worst excesses Chihiro's Church will invite are opposed.

bigrunt wrote:Would love to know who the "demon" was that bested the sergeant major and what kind of resources he had access to. I also wonder if it is the hamilacar that will return in 1000 years, not something under the temple. Maybe making a FTL trip to slow elapsed time while people inside are in hibernation.