NEAT in the next generation

SYED wrote:i wonder if the NEAT of the adams and eves contain any useful information. they were all saids, so the locations of their bodies known and preserved.

The Adams and Eves don't have NEATs--they have high-speed interfaces. The NEAT is an external device which attaches to the interface. The interface is just an interface--it doesn't store any information.

SWM wrote:

SYED wrote:i wonder if the NEAT of the adams and eves contain any useful information. they were all saids, so the locations of their bodies known and preserved.

The Adams and Eves don't have NEATs--they have high-speed interfaces. The NEAT is an external device which attaches to the interface. The interface is just an interface--it doesn't store any information.

The implants might have a small amount of memory, for buffering purposes, data verification, and the like.
That being said, I'd agree that storing much, if anything, in the way of meaningful or useful information is unlikely at best.

I have been thinking a little further about NEATs.

Like how many people can be connected to a single NEAT at the same time?

If you want the NEAT to teach you Espagnol or Chinese, how long would that take? A single night? A couple of nights or months? How efficient is learning through a NEAT?

How many NEATs does OWL have in his cave?

For how many babies does OWL have the materials to make implants?

Have OWL and Nahrmahn started to make the machines to make the machines to make the machines to make new NEATs and acquire new materials for them?

Or has Safehold to wait until the normal industrial capacity can make NEATs before they can be widely deployed?

Kytheros wrote:

SYED wrote:i wonder if the NEAT of the adams and eves contain any useful information. they were all saids, so the locations of their bodies known and preserved.

The implants might have a small amount of memory, for buffering purposes, data verification, and the like.
That being said, I'd agree that storing much, if anything, in the way of meaningful or useful information is unlikely at best.

Given how small a 128Gb of non volatile memory is now (thumbnail size for micro SD), tracking forward a few centuries, a few terabytes in an implantable micro controller is not unimaginable and 16 petabytes not beyond question (see verifier encrypted storage). Direct interfaces to the visual cortex are available now as experimental systems, auditory interfaces are a current commercial product so a direct memory interface would not be much of a stretch. The textev makes reference to the comparability of the high speed PICA interface to the NEAT interface (which if I was designing them, makes really good sense to use the same frequencies and protocols).
Based on the amount of memory present in a wireless modem, having a nonvolatile storage for buffering purposes and an operating system to access the data makes sense (most Wifi Modems run Linux or a derivative these days and have a few hundred meg of memory). Since human memory has a relatively slow update time having a high speed interface buffered down to human speed would make sense (i.e. down load instructions and then sleep on it while it is written to live memory).
This would of course require a logic system powered from human metabolic processes, which given glucose and alcohol fuel cells are available now, is a possibility.
The syncing with a PICA would then involve uploading the stored personality in non-volatile memory in the humans head to the PICA with later synchronization at the end of run. The NEAT head set could provide high power levels to support a faster up-link speed (low speed uplink could be supported by internal fuel cell power).
This also leads to the possibility of direct interfaces from mind to machine - no physical controls required, think and it happens, which the textev supports with reference to full immersion virtual reality.

AirTech wrote:
Given how small a 128Gb of non volatile memory is now (thumbnail size for micro SD), tracking forward a few centuries, a few terabytes in an implantable micro controller is not unimaginable and 16 petabytes not beyond question (see verifier encrypted storage).

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This also leads to the possibility of direct interfaces from mind to machine - no physical controls required, think and it happens, which the textev supports with reference to full immersion virtual reality.

It was my understanding that the PICA technology was made possible by the high speed, direct mind to machine interface, which was also used for connections to NEATs and the world wide communication and data infrastructure. First as a remote controlled PICA (drone mode), then as an independent PICA with a downloaded personality.

And there can surely be a small, few terabyte, cache in the interface. Could be handy when you are out of reach of a communications network.

The real question you are all overlooking is what do you tell the kid about this thing in his head while he is growing up so that you don't risk him ruining everything by telling someone else. they aren't even supposed to tell anyone the truth until the age of thirty

Pei freed and hid about 100 adams and eves, i wonder how many of these were then augemented by the church to fight, or by the demons.

You could implant them this interface and probably hide it under hairs and synthetic skin, so it could be used later. Or just program nanites to do only under skin part of it, till the subject is let's say 30 years old or if it's authorized by Merlin to be activated earlier. Also a lot of things which can't be hidden and are rather obvious, aren't found by people which are looking at them, so I think that those data ports won't be that hard to hide, even in the open.

Draken wrote:You could implant them this interface and probably hide it under hairs and synthetic skin, so it could be used later. Or just program nanites to do only under skin part of it, till the subject is let's say 30 years old or if it's authorized by Merlin to be activated earlier. Also a lot of things which can't be hidden and are rather obvious, aren't found by people which are looking at them, so I think that those data ports won't be that hard to hide, even in the open.

I think the neat receptors are internal, much as what the nanites built in Nahrmahn before he died. Nobody wants to go around looking like Frankenstein's monster, and certainly nobody, especially Ohlivia who would have seen them grow, commented on the strange things on Nahrmann's head.

Draken wrote:You could implant them this interface and probably hide it under hairs and synthetic skin, so it could be used later. Or just program nanites to do only under skin part of it, till the subject is let's say 30 years old or if it's authorized by Merlin to be activated earlier. Also a lot of things which can't be hidden and are rather obvious, aren't found by people which are looking at them, so I think that those data ports won't be that hard to hide, even in the open.

I think you would be looking at wireless links (as are used for most brain implants today for hearing and visual interfaces, since these would usually be temporary connections a head set or helmet would do the job of supporting the interface. (Implanted hearing aids use a stud to hold the induction coils in place so they don't get knocked off). Having the electronics buried under the skin barrier and using induction coupling helps prevent infection paths that would otherwise be a issue with plugs and sockets. The embedded electronics could be integrated with the brain and skull and would only be visible with an X-ray (the induction coils and antenna's would be a little obvious) but X-ray's will be a little while becoming common (photography will need to be first and the use of natural X-ray sources can be unpredictable).