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Official HFQ Snippet #24

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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by Chev   » Mon May 11, 2015 1:29 pm

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Be well!!!

You have my prayers.
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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by Isilith   » Mon May 11, 2015 1:56 pm

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Will keep you in my prayers, and send you the best thoughts and well wishes.

Get well soon, RFC.
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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by phillies   » Mon May 11, 2015 2:51 pm

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Aeronwen

Several translations are available.

White blessed berries

Blessed Ender of Battles (if Aeron is the divine being involved in warfare).

Your mileage may vary.
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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by DDHvi   » Mon May 11, 2015 3:52 pm

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Louis R wrote:Inserting a more hopeful note, the incident described needn't indicate any heart disease at all :)

Of course, it could also mean that Himself will be having a pacemaker implanted on Friday, but still...


abk wrote:Yes - along with all the rest - here's to a quick and uneventful transition back to your full health! You've provided me days of enjoyment with reading your novels and so the least I can do is send some positive thoughts and prayers your way.

All the best,

ABK


I don't know enough to be certain, but most heart attacks are due to blockage, and this sounds different. After getting home from my heart attack, the first thing done was a search on ("heart attack" AND prevention), where I found Linus Pauling's work. Since he got his first Nobel prize for revolutionizing chemistry and spent the last decades of his life working with biochemistry, I'm not qualified to make a good comment on his work. Whether his therapy would help with slow heartbeat :?: But the cost is very low, and there are other health benefits.

Worth reading:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/12154.php

Mr. Weber, please take care of your health, and not just because we like many of your stories.

PS. My favorites are Shannon & Sonja in the Honorverse, and Howsmyn and Admiral Seaxxx? in Safehold. Might a short story about S&S in Bolthole be possible?
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Smart mistakes go on forever
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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by dan92677   » Mon May 11, 2015 4:24 pm

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rfc,

As a 'go see the cardiologist (for the very 1st time) get a quintuple bypass two days later' recipient, mind your Dr. AND your wife.

I too am selfish for more of your work product, but I also care for you as a person.

God bless and good luck!!!

Dan
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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by Bahzellstudent   » Mon May 11, 2015 5:12 pm

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RFC - delighted to hear that you are getting top notch cardiologist input; listen to what you are told - and don't even think about travelling if they say no!

Look after yourself and get yourself well - first and formost for you and the family; they need their dad/husband - and second (and a long way behind) for all your fans, who have huge expectations about the evolution of Safehold, of Bahzell and his family, of Honor and all her friends and and and... (you know the rest).

Get well soon
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War Against the Fallen
Post by Tonto Silerheels   » Mon May 11, 2015 5:21 pm

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runsforcelery wrote:

There wouldn’t’ve been much the four of them could’ve accomplished, cut off from Alexandria and isolated half a world away from all the rest of the colonists, even if they hadn’t had Shan-wei’s instructions to lie low, survive, and plan for the future.

When I originally read Off Armageddon Reef I thought that the war against the fallen must have been fought between the followers of Pei Shan-wei on one side, and the followers of Langhorne on the other. The followers of Pei Shan-wei would have been the survivors of the Alexandria enclave strike, and the followers of Langhorne would have been the survivors of Pei Kau-yung's vest pocket nuke.

A later snippet made me adjust that to begin thinking it was between two factions of Langhorne's followers, perhaps one led by Scheuler and the other by Chihiro. With this snippet I'm back to the original thoughts.

Is there remaining any reason to believe that Langhorn's followers split into factions? Why would Shan-wei's followers be defeating Langhorne's followers up until the point Langhorne's followers thought to create seijin? Is it because Kau-yung was military and Langhorne was not, so Kau-yung could be expected to be better at striking his enemies? Would a vest pocket nuke leave radioactive contamination in Zion? Am I correct in thinking that the last seijin were all killed because they had knowledge of advanced technology, and Langhorne's followers couldn't allow that knowledge to exist? Is there a maximum number of questions allowed in one post?

~Tonto
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Re: War Against the Fallen
Post by JeffEngel   » Mon May 11, 2015 6:39 pm

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Tonto Silerheels wrote:runsforcelery wrote:

There wouldn’t’ve been much the four of them could’ve accomplished, cut off from Alexandria and isolated half a world away from all the rest of the colonists, even if they hadn’t had Shan-wei’s instructions to lie low, survive, and plan for the future.

When I originally read Off Armageddon Reef I thought that the war against the fallen must have been fought between the followers of Pei Shan-wei on one side, and the followers of Langhorne on the other. The followers of Pei Shan-wei would have been the survivors of the Alexandria enclave strike, and the followers of Langhorne would have been the survivors of Pei Kau-yung's vest pocket nuke.

A later snippet made me adjust that to begin thinking it was between two factions of Langhorne's followers, perhaps one led by Scheuler and the other by Chihiro. With this snippet I'm back to the original thoughts.

Is there remaining any reason to believe that Langhorn's followers split into factions? Why would Shan-wei's followers be defeating Langhorne's followers up until the point Langhorne's followers thought to create seijin? Is it because Kau-yung was military and Langhorne was not, so Kau-yung could be expected to be better at striking his enemies? Would a vest pocket nuke leave radioactive contamination in Zion? Am I correct in thinking that the last seijin were all killed because they had knowledge of advanced technology, and Langhorne's followers couldn't allow that knowledge to exist? Is there a maximum number of questions allowed in one post?

~Tonto

After the War, anyone not on the winning side would be demonized as followers of Shan-wei, either directly or by association with Pei Kau-yung or other "fallen" angels. So the "historical" accounts will be nearly useless for settling that.

The seijins created by any side in the War would be from among the Adams and Eves with pre-Safehold military experience. A faction with more or less military representation among the "angels" would have no particular advantage or disadvantage when it comes to grabbing Adams and Eves who had been, long ago and far away in a forgotten life, their colleagues, and the military-trained angels themselves would be both very old and very few to be soldiers in that War.

"Schueller's" different personality based on the Book of Schueller and the Wylsynn family hologram suggests different factions there - at the very least, one man in power with absolutely different attitudes at different times in his life or in different settings that he was not able to reconcile. (And the hypothesis that someone straight-up used his name and reputation for the "Book of Schueller" is a lot easier to swallow than a split personality or never making changes to his public legacy in later life based on regrets about what he did or wrote earlier.)

With the core of the command staff dead, the opposition at Alexandria also dead (entirely or at least in the largest part), and Kau-yung dead too, the survivors would still have a lot to do and an apparent war already on. Under those conditions, it would be remarkable if there weren't warring factions. Maybe one of them was or included Kau-yung's surviving subordinates and/or some stray survivors from Alexandria, but there's no reason to suppose that those who had been following Langhorne couldn't brew up a civil war among themselves alone after that catastrophe. There wasn't a framework for settling disputes peacefully, after all - a world of people were looking to them as representatives of God - and what to do with the plan and personnel for it that busted up would have been a very lively question. It's not a surprising background for fighting.

There was a lot of time after the nuke for Terran Federation technology to clean up the waste from a TF pocket nuke. Assuming the TF had pretty clean options that way, we could assume Kau-yung would opt that way, and that rebuilding Zion and making it a holy city was a matter of pride for the victors, so they'd have every reason to do all they could to clean it. Presumably they could do very well that way.

And yes, seijins knew too much - about technology, about how the war went and maybe over what issues, and about the rest of the history the victors wanted to suppress to get their plan for Safehold back on track. They weren't Adams and Eves anymore, they weren't command crew, they had no place. Maybe some of them could be quieted by NEAT adjustments - some could not, or not safely enough for their masters' comfort.

And no, there's no question cap!
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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by n7axw   » Mon May 11, 2015 7:32 pm

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First of all, my gratitude for a wonderful snippet.

Next and more important, take care of yourself, David.

I find myself wondering if the whole issue David is describing isn't stress. Our blessed Lord knows he has been under enough of that lately.

One is always tempted to relate such incidents to one's own experience, and I am no exception. For a number of years, I would experience blood pressure drops at random moments. Invariably, with only one exception that I recall, it would happen during Sunday worship when I was up front either in the pulpit or at the altar leading the service... almost always during Lent, which is a high pressure time of year. I finally went to the doc with it and he gave me a full battery of texts including wearing a heart monitor. The result was a clean bill of health. The doc told me that stress could cause blood pressure drops and that when it happened, get my feet above my head for a few minutes and regroup. That seemed to work.

Let's pray that David's issues are that simple and that he develops the good sense to get some exercise and to allow himself some time off with a nice hot tub and some of his favorite beverage. That, all by itself, could do a world of good. Yer no spring chicken any more, David. Ya better start facing up to that." :D

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Re: Official HFQ Snippet #24
Post by Keith_w   » Mon May 11, 2015 10:11 pm

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First, thank you for the snippet. Second, as I am currently "enjoying" chronic atrial fibrillation, and looking forward to stress testing and heart monitoring if the week before last repeats itself, I know how much fun it isn't. Please take care of yourself, the loss to your wife, your children, and last but not least, your fans would be devastating (ok, so you probably wouldn't enjoy it either :mrgreen: )
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